QuoteBobby Charlton.
id rate daiv brent higher, at least he has management experience
'How can I hate women, my Mums one!!!' Chris Finch
Bobby Charlton.
Forget about the performance or entertainment. It's only the result that matters.
Jack Charlton
The greatest midfiled we ever had and he bypassed it for the sake of Cascarino Quinn!! Players like Sheedy, Townsend, Whelan, Houghton, Galvin McGrath just watching Chris Morris pump high balls over their heads all day. Painful. And the greatest centre half the world has ever seen outside Italy, and he plays him out of position for 5 years....!
Imagine what Bob Paisley would have done with that selection of players! We could have been a contender
ooh controversial, although i agree charlton was a vastly over-rated manager..!! wait for the backlash from th charltonites
'How can I hate women, my Mums one!!!' Chris Finch
ever notice how the charltonites tend also to have been McCarthy-ites in Saipan
We had a potential world class team back then and he ruined its potential with his Wimbledon tactics.
Originally Posted by citizenerased
COuldn't be bothered. Jack was a success as a manager wherever he went, including Sheffield Wednesday. Far more talented Irish teams failed where his succeeded but as I say, why waste my breath? "We're all part of Jackie's army, we're all of to It-al-ly, and etc etc ".
Sammy Lee I'll give another couple of weeks at Bolton. You can almost see the sword of doom hanging over his head.
David Pleat was also greatly overrated because he talked a good game.
Forget about the performance or entertainment. It's only the result that matters.
Yes. Charlton did'nt know what he was doing. Results mean nothing. Qualifying for tournaments and getting to QF's is for spoofers.
Even Dunphy, Jack's biggest public critic, conceded that Ireland's style of play under Charlton was far more sophisticated than Wimbledon's. Anyone who thought it was just a long ball game had no idea. All of the midfilders mentioned by An_Ceannaire played a significant role in the success of that team.
Funnily enough I have a certain regard for the only two managers to have got us to a World Cup Finals. Neither was without his faults but the world isn't black and white.
ffs people slagging off Charlton, the only manager in our history to qualify us for more major finals than he failed to qualify us for. 3-2. A legend. A plonker, but a legend.
I like high energy football. A little bit rock and roll. Many finishes instead of waiting for the perfect one.
lads i am not anti-jack
i would shake his hand and bow before him in a second
BUT I do think he was HUGELY over rated and if you had given a manager who liked to play it on the deck players like this
Bonner, Morris, Moran, McGrath, Stan, Brady, Whelan, Houghton, Sheedy, Aldridge, Stapleton, Townsend, Sheridan, Irwin, Keane, O'Leary, Kelly, Quinn etc and asked them to put it on the deck, let the MF do the work and feed the strikers....we would have done a whole lot more. Think about it!
Look at those players!!!!
We played far more football on the deck under Jack than credit is given for. What we didn't do then that we do now is play square balls on the edge of our 18, concede more than we score due to lack of any kind of a plan and render ourselves out of contention with three games to go.
Jack was no revolutionary but that he's even being mentioned in this thread, even taking all his Irish achievments off his CV, is plain laughable.
" I wish to God that someone would be able to block out the voices in my head for five minutes, the voices that scream, over and over again: "Why do they come to me to die?"
Now you look here Stevie wonder..........I aint laughin!!
The manager of my local Burger King restaurant who's a young Chinese lad is probably not as good as Stan. The place has gone to the sh*ts since he took it over.
John Toshack - they both have just about the same amount of charisma and knowledge of the game
i would take tosh over stan in a heat beat! Real Madrid & La Liga title....Walsall reserves....hhmmmmmm
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"Well I think they'll be a little disappointed with that" - Matt Holland on TV3 after 5-2 drubbing by Cyprus
Under Charlton we played like the very good Everton team of the mid to late 80's and not like Wimbledon. The opinion of one Liam Brady. The revisionists like to forget about 1984/85 and the players we had then. Why did'nt they qualify? Brady, Lawernson, Stapleton, O'Leary, Robinson, Whelan, Cascarino, Moran etc. For Charlton to bring an Ireland team to Germany 88 was nothing short of incredible. A team with many of the players that would start under Charlton had been hammered 4-1 at home by Denmark 2 years previously in Hands last game . I was one of the few at the match and still remember the despair. Charlton won the world cup as a player. And got us to the quarter finals of the world cup. Both facts. No matter what Dunphy or some of the ex-pro's say.
I can't see much lately. Can't see us retaining possession like we did under Jack, Mick and (to a lesser extent) Brian. I sure as sh1t can't see us creating enough either. Even if I was completely blind though I'd be able to see lesser opposition go through us like a punnet of peaches.Now you look here Stevie wonder..........I aint laughin
" I wish to God that someone would be able to block out the voices in my head for five minutes, the voices that scream, over and over again: "Why do they come to me to die?"
Anyone who thinks Jack was worse than Stan is a muppet of the highest order, sure we didn't play pretty footbally but 4 out of the 5 of the major competitions we qualified for were under Jack, played England 5 times and never lost, true we had better players back then but we had great players before Jacks time too and failed to qualify
Gazza but only just....
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