Ryanair

**osarusan** · 08/10/2007, 2:58 PM

I flew with Aer Lingus 3 and 4 years ago. I had to laugh. After taking a Korean Air flight from Seoul, which arrived 15 minutes early for an 11 hour flight, I transferred to Aer Lingus in Heathrow. We took off 35 minutes late, and during the flight the pilot explained we would arrive 30 minutes late due to a "headwind"! (Pretty strong headwind that affects the plane while still on the ground) To top it off, I got gum stuck to the back of my pants, from the seat.

With RyanAir, I pay cheap prices, the service is poor enough, they try (and fail) to flog stuff to me. I'm happy with the balance of cost and service.

With Air Lingus, I was not. If I pay more, I expect better, which I didnt get.

I can understand some of the negativity here, but some people are posting like a Ryan Air crash would make their day, just so they could say "I told you so".

**Dodge** · 08/10/2007, 3:06 PM

Opinions, eh...

**osarusan** · 08/10/2007, 3:10 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

Opinions, eh...

every arsehole's got'em.

Just as well I'm here to provide facts.

**Lionel Ritchie** · 08/10/2007, 3:11 PM

Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

Southwest has been using that business model for over 30 years.

Also, fuselages are pressurised and re-pressurised and stressed and de-stressed until they break as part of certification. The limits of airframes are well known.

Given -by and large.

Though just because they haven't lost a plane yet doesn't neccessarily mean that their operating model is best practice.

Also just as a general rule for air travel ...pretty much any "first world" airline is safer than the alternatives. This is usually down to more stringent safety and mantainance checks. An area it is mercifully beyond the gift of the Ryanairs to "cut costs" on.

**Dodge** · 08/10/2007, 3:24 PM

Originally Posted by osarusan

Just as well I'm here to provide facts.

About one flilght 3 or 4 years ago.

I've had nothing but good experiences with them. Sorry to hear about the chewing gum incident...

Agree with your comment re the doomsayers

**osarusan** · 08/10/2007, 3:30 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

About one flilght 3 or 4 years ago.

I've had nothing but good experiences with them. Sorry to hear about the chewing gum incident...

Agree with your comment re the doomsayers

It was a joke Dodge. I thought you hated the use of smilies?

To be fair, I've never flown long-haul, and I've heard its better.

**NY Hoop** · 08/10/2007, 3:43 PM

Originally Posted by osarusan

It was a joke Dodge. I thought you hated the use of smilies?

To be fair, I've never flown long-haul, and I've heard its better.

Still **** long haul or not. Flown at least a dozen times with them to the states. At best average.

KOH

**Dodge** · 08/10/2007, 4:00 PM

Originally Posted by osarusan

It was a joke Dodge. I thought you hated the use of smilies?

Nicely played...

**osarusan** · 08/10/2007, 4:04 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

Nicely played...

Thanks!

**progress** · 08/10/2007, 4:20 PM

ryanair have now hiked up all the prices too which is going to hit there customers.they continually add little extras which is very annoying.why should it cost u to check in at the airport.surely u should be given a discount if u check in on line and not penalised if u go to the airport.they try and trick u into paying travel insurance.i will still travel with them because they are the cheapest but they are low fare only by name now

**Student Mullet** · 08/10/2007, 4:26 PM

I like capitalism because it gives us all a choice about what type of airplane we fly in.

**OneRedArmy** · 08/10/2007, 4:41 PM

Originally Posted by Student Mullet

I like capitalism because it gives us all a choice about what type of airplane we fly in.

I don't think this is actually true. The airline industry has high barriers to entry (cost, regulation etc.) and there are plenty of examples of Ryanair reducing competition on routes by predatory pricing which they bump up when other airlines are forced off routes.

**BohsPartisan** · 08/10/2007, 7:58 PM

Originally Posted by Student Mullet

I like capitalism because it gives us all a choice about what type of airplane we fly in.

Yeah the last time I flew I based my choice on what airline had the coolest stripe down the side.

**onceahoop** · 09/10/2007, 7:16 AM

Originally Posted by pete

The Boarding Gate A for Ryanair is a dump but I think the DAA have to take a lot of responsibility for that pre-frabricated structure. Its difficult to understate how much of a kip Dublin Airport is - cannot think of one redeeming feature.

The prefabricated building will go when Pier D is opened. You can blame O'Leary becauase he held up the building of Pier D. It is a kip and I don't understand why the DAA don't provide some sort of buggy for elderly people to get to and from it. Someone told me that it was a mile to walk down to it from the security check. The accoustics are terrible making it impossible to understand the PA announcements and a lot of people miss flights because of the general chaos of trying to find there way down to it and poor announcements.

Most of us who fly regularly can find our way around airports, but there are people out there who get in a right mes when they're in one and need al the help hey can get.

**OneRedArmy** · 09/10/2007, 8:27 AM

Originally Posted by pete

Airbridges costs money for every 15 minutes you rent it so many airlines choose not to pay for it. Ryanair are not alone in this. Many full fair airlines don't use the air bridges.

Examples please of full service airlines that park at gates with airbridges and don't use them.

Originally Posted by pete

I have to strongly disagree with that. I have never been to an airport where no seat at departure. .

Who said no seats? Its enough seats. People shouldn't have to stand.

Originally Posted by pete

Cork has nice new terminal with nice new seats.

You're arguing against yourself here. The new terminal is Cork was strongly opposed by Ryanair over the level of facilities it provided and its cost. They wanted a much more spartan affair.

**pete** · 09/10/2007, 10:12 AM

Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

Examples please of full service airlines that park at gates with airbridges and don't use them.

Cityjet in Charles de Gaulle. TBH can't remember if they use in Dublin. IMO they are a full fare airline as fully owned by Air France & they transfer you to connecting flight.

Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

Who said no seats? Its enough seats. People shouldn't have to stand.

I meant no available seats. Although I do agree few if any seats on the corridor to Pier A in Dublin. Ryanair probably paying less to use those "Gates" but then again no alternatives so mainly DAAs fault.

Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

You're arguing against yourself here. The new terminal is Cork was strongly opposed by Ryanair over the level of facilities it provided and its cost. They wanted a much more spartan affair.

There was talk of Ryanair taking over the old Terminal. BTW they installed a couple of air bridges in Cork Airport but AFAIK no airline use them so they asked the Airport not to install any more.

Full fare airlines charge for overweight luggage too. It was long haul but Air France charged me E30 per kilo recently & enforced as strict if not more strictly than Ryanair.

I presume Aer Lingus not a full fare airline any more? i.e. no connections or flight changes?

**Macy** · 09/10/2007, 10:19 AM

Originally Posted by pete

Full fare airlines charge for overweight luggage too. It was long haul but Air France charged me E30 per kilo recently & enforced as strict if not more strictly than Ryanair.

On a 15kg weight limit? Albeit the lower weight limit is a pain in the arse, it's the non transferability even when on the same booking that's the real scam.

Originally Posted by pete

I presume Aer Lingus not a full fare airline any more? i.e. no connections or flight changes?

I wouldn't say so - they're so obsessed with costs that they're removing the things that people were prepared to pay for. They're not going to out low cost ryanair, so they should be competiting on added value. Actually I don't think Mannion actually cares anymore, it's all a personal crusade.

**dahamsta** · 09/10/2007, 10:22 AM

This post by Justin Mason has a long string of lovely stories about them in the comments:

http://taint.org/2006/11/22/152448a.html

adam

**Lionel Ritchie** · 09/10/2007, 10:29 AM

Originally Posted by pete

I presume Aer Lingus not a full fare airline any more? i.e. no connections or flight changes?

Travelling on a delayed flight from Barcelona to Dublin with Aer Lingus recently Aer Lingus held a Boston flight in Dublin because an american family connecting through were on ours. I don't have a lot of time for Aer Lingus lately but I have to take my hat off to them for that. It was entirely decent of them.