Dida Tonight

**geysir** · 05/10/2007, 1:44 PM

Originally Posted by reder

The fan in question has been given a lifetime ban from all Celtic games which is proper and right. As a result of the action of this individual Celtic FC should/will be punished for not controlling their fans inside the football ground. Playing the rest of their home group games behind closed doors would suffice in my opinion. Finally, Dida will be punished by Milan and UEFA for his pathetic response to the incident.

There is only a very very slim chance that Uefa will demand games behind closed doors. Your opinion does not relate to precedents.
Most probably just a fine.
If it was the FAI issuing the fine, probably about �50m
But as it's Uefa, somewhere between �50,000 - 100,000.

**Dodge** · 05/10/2007, 1:46 PM

Originally Posted by DaveyCakes

Does this mean that he was able to get back into the crowd without being stopped by stewards???

He obviously ran into the crowd where the ad hoardings fell. Those stewards wouldn't have been aware of what he had done.

Not such a big deal IMO

**DaveyCakes** · 05/10/2007, 2:06 PM

Could the stewards from the area where he ran on not have made others aware of the situation?

**Dodge** · 05/10/2007, 2:10 PM

Originally Posted by DaveyCakes

Could the stewards from the area where he ran on not have made others aware of the situation?

The others were busy making sure people weren't crushed, and 100s didn't get on the pitch

**OwlsFan** · 05/10/2007, 2:20 PM

Latest picture of Dida just in:

http://www.ics.uci.edu/~eppstein/pix...04/Mummy-m.jpg

**geysir** · 05/10/2007, 2:25 PM

Is that a lollypop in his hand?

**galwayhoop** · 05/10/2007, 2:33 PM

Originally Posted by DaveyCakes

From the BBC web site:

"The 27-year-old has also been banned for life by Celtic after he made himself known to the Glasgow club."

Does this mean that he was able to get back into the crowd without being stopped by stewards???

apparently yes he got back into the stand without anyone catching him

afaik he went up to parkhead on Thur morn and admitted responsibility and the club brought him straight to the coppers!!

not a season ticket holder but will get life time ban and all the rest...

**Bottle of Tonic** · 06/10/2007, 1:49 PM

My God. So much typed in the preceding pages . . . . . where can I start?

I was at the game and sit right above where the team were celebrating Mcdonalds winner. I was going hog-wild like all those around me and never even saw the fan coming on the pitch. On seeing it later on TV it seemed clear to me he just lost it and ran out on to the pitch celebrating a 90th min winner against current Euro champs. I wouldn't even go so far as to call him a 'thug' 'scumbag' 'savage' etc like other posters are. Idiot, moron for sure, but I didnt think running out on to the pitch made you a scumbag. It certainly makes you stupid though.

I think it would be completely unfair if Celtic had to play games behind closed doors as a punishment. The clubs support has a massively positive reputation around Europe and its not as if its another case in a long line of negative incidents regarding Celtic fans (or 'savages' or 'scumbags' if you like). They will be fined, but would be disgusted with UEFA if it was anything more.
He went out there (like a fool) to celebrate another magical European goal at Parkhead and touched Dida on the way. Nothing more. He was rightly banned. Its not as if Dida had just saved a penelty and he then ran out to 'assault' him. That would be a different story. People need to put things in perspective.

**pineapple stu** · 06/10/2007, 1:58 PM

Originally Posted by geysir

Is that a lollypop in his hand?

He was a brave boy at the doctor's, I would imagine.

**Plastic Paddy** · 06/10/2007, 2:22 PM

Originally Posted by Bottle of Tonic

People need to put things in perspective.

No chance of that on foot.ie whenever Celtic is the topic, I'm afraid - there are always those (I'm looking at you H4E) who love to denigrate Celtic whatever the occasion. I think it's all based on jealousy.

PP

**osarusan** · 06/10/2007, 3:09 PM

Originally Posted by Bottle of Tonic

I think it would be completely unfair if Celtic had to play games behind closed doors as a punishment. The clubs support has a massively positive reputation around Europe and its not as if its another case in a long line of negative incidents regarding Celtic fans (or 'savages' or 'scumbags' if you like). They will be fined, but would be disgusted with UEFA if it was anything more.

Celtic should be punished in accordance with the regulations, whatever they are. I don't think the supporters reputations is relevant.
Does anybody know what the punishment is for allowing a fan onto the pitch, in a position to make physical contact with a player (or official)? (or whatever the charge/wording is). What are the criteria considered?

A fine?

Playing behind closed doors?

Points deduction?

**NeilMcD** · 06/10/2007, 3:24 PM

Of course their previous behaviour should come into it. In most areas of the law someones previous behaviour can stand to them. Why should this be any different.

**osarusan** · 06/10/2007, 3:46 PM

I'll ask again -

What are the various charges Celtic could face?

What criteria will be taken into account when the decision is made?

What are the possible punishments for the charges?

reder · 08/10/2007, 9:47 AM

Originally Posted by osarusan

I'll ask again -

What are the various charges Celtic could face?

What criteria will be taken into account when the decision is made?

What are the possible punishments for the charges?

I presume the main charge in this case would fall into the category of failing to control their supporters given that a fan got onto their pitch and "struck" a player.

Fans behaviour at home will probably be taken into account but with UEFA anything is possible and they might go to town.

- Max punishment is expulsion from the competition (which is not going to happen). Feynoord got expelled from the UEFA cup last year but that was after serious violience at a few home games.

- The 2nd option is begin forced to play their games behind closed doors.

- The third option is a hefty fine.

A few seasons ago in the PL, Everton were playing down in Highbury and lets just say the blues were not playing hoofball to their usual standard. A disgruntled middle-aged bitter wobbled onto the pitch and proceeded to offer an Everton player his t-shirt for the players Everton shirt. The fan in question was removed and banned and Everton got a fine.

Similar incident but in Celtic's case the fan did make physical contact with Dida.

**Dodge** · 08/10/2007, 10:04 AM

Originally Posted by Plastic Paddy

No chance of that on foot.ie whenever Celtic is the topic, I'm afraid - there are always those (I'm looking at you H4E) who love to denigrate Celtic whatever the occasion. I think it's all based on jealousy.

Good job all Celtic fans are level headed and rational then PP, eh?

**Armando** · 08/10/2007, 1:48 PM

According to SSN

**drinkfeckarse** · 08/10/2007, 2:18 PM

That could open a huge can of worms if accurate. The fact he is a laughing stock is punishment enough.

Fine Celtic for the poor stewarding and move on. That would be too simple it seems.

**galwayhoop** · 08/10/2007, 4:54 PM

Originally Posted by drinkfeckarse

That could open a huge can of worms if accurate.

if he was attempting to get the game abandoned, which is my opinion, then it is a can of worms which should be opened.

there is precedent already for this, although not from UEFA but by FIFA and CAF.
BBC

Roberto Rojas
...when Chilean goalkeeper Roberto Rojas faked injury during a World Cup qualifier in 1989, Fifa banned him for life and Chile were suspended from taking part in the qualifiers for the 1994 World Cup.
Incident

Chokri El Ouaer
...CAF has now banned El Ouaer from playing for Esperance in the Champions League, but he will be allowed to play in domestic club fixtures and for his national team.

I'm not saying for one second that either of the above actions should be applied in the 'Dida Incident' but it does answer what UEFA are hoping to achieve when asking Milan why Dida was substituted.

Bottom line, imo, is he tried to get the game called off, and Dida deserves to be punished (not AC Milan) and Celtic also should, quite rightly, be fined (no more no less) for allowing a spectator onto the pitch.

**sligoman** · 08/10/2007, 5:06 PM

I don't think Dida should have any action taken against him as no matter what, nobody can prove Dida wasn't hurt by the "fan". We all know he wasn't really but theirs actually no way of proving it and therefore no punishment should be taken against him. Celtic on the other hand should.

**galwayhoop** · 08/10/2007, 6:00 PM

Originally Posted by sligoman

I don't think Dida should have any action taken against him as no matter what, nobody can prove Dida wasn't hurt by the "fan". We all know he wasn't really but theirs actually no way of proving it and therefore no punishment should be taken against him.

I can't agree with you here, video analysis could tell the force and speed of any contact with Dida and any medical 'expert' could deduct from that whether it would be enough to cause any pain to Dida. it happens in courts all the time. also a degree of common sense has to prevail as to whether he was hurt or not!!

Originally Posted by sligoman

Celtic on the other hand should.

as a matter of interest what punishment would you feel would be fair?