Dida Tonight

Originally Posted by eirebhoy

Celtic score a last minute goal. A young fan runs on the pitch with his hands in the air celebrating. "Oh I'm absolutely over the moon, let's give this keeper a good punch in the face". You're terribly biased mate, realise that.

Originally Posted by Hibs4Ever

What? Why in the name of jaysus would this guy want to hurt Dida? "FACT"? 3 or 4 times you've claimed that he intended to hit Dida good and hard but failed. Don't you think this is a sign of your bias getting the better of you?

Originally Posted by Hibs4Ever

6) I claimed his intention was to hit Dida, he made a mess of it.

i have watched the clip a good few time now and this is how i see it.

1.
the fan ran onto the pitch celebrating and waiving his arms above his head -
he souldn't have come onto the pitch, no excuse

2.
as he got close to dida/passed him he reached out
a. to playfully slap his cheek, or
b. to get his attention in a type of slagging gesture -
again he should not have done either but to say his actions were malicious or that he ran on the pitch to intentionally hit the player is absurd. or to imply he meant to hit him but made a mess of it is crazy.

3.
Dida ran after the player and then obviously thought he better reaction was to go down and feign injury -
there is no excuse for these actions imo Dida was attempting to get the game called off by claimimg injury from the incident. Again there is no excuse for his actions here.

Nothing happened Spurs when the guy came on and missed Frank Lampard with a punch.

Dida has an obligation to his personal safety (bear in mind that one of his team-mates' relatives was kidnapped and murdered because of his status as a professional footballer, and he himself comes from a country where this is commonplace) and it was clear once that scumbag got on the pitch that security at the venue was inadequate. What if the next celtic savage who invaded his goalmouth was carrying a pocket-knife? I'm not surprised he tried to get the match abandoned, or at the very least attain the safety of the dressing rooms.

Originally Posted by eirebhoy

What? Why in the name of jaysus would this guy want to hurt Dida? "FACT"? 3 or 4 times you've claimed that he intended to hit Dida good and hard but failed. Don't you think this is a sign of your bias getting the better of you?

3/4 times I said "the guy inteded to hit Dida good and hard" Please show me where I said it 3/4 times


Also, I said celtic will be punished, but never said what i think they should get. Others on here have said celtic should be docked points ar have to play behind closed doors. Why aren't you arguing with them? Or is it because of your anti Hibs bias

Originally Posted by Hibs4Ever

3/4 times I said "the guy inteded to hit Dida good and hard" Please show me where I said it 3/4 times

"He ran across him with his arm out intending to hit him."

"But the FACTS are, a fan ran onto the pitch, towards a player, stuck his arm out with the intention of hitting the player"

"I claimed his intention was to hit Dida, he made a mess of it."

The reason I had to say "good and hard" is because many people would argue that the boy did hit Dida. It sounds to me that you think the boy wanted to hurt Dida but failed.

Originally Posted by Sheridan

Dida has an obligation to his personal safety (bear in mind that one of his team-mates' relatives was kidnapped and murdered because of his status as a professional footballer, and he himself comes from a country where this is commonplace) .

i'm surprised he comes out of his house at all! never mind plays in packed stadia! do you know if he gets danger money????

Originally Posted by Sheridan

and it was clear once that scumbag got on the pitch that security at the venue was inadequate. .

post-hillborough it is quite easy to encroach the pitch at all british stadia. all a club can do is attempt to prevent this by stewarding but this is not water tight at any british stadia. how many streakers get onto pitches??? or what about yer man who posed in the Man Utd photo a few years back in the CL. Or the loon who jumped in the net during the CL final (i think or else WC match) with some web address emblazemed accross his chest. when he threw a scarf around Figo's neck was that an attempt at strangulation!!!

all a club can do to prevent encroachment is try to presuade fans from entering the playing pitch by hefty fines or bans, but these measures are retro-spective.

Originally Posted by Sheridan

What if the next celtic savage who invaded his goalmouth was carrying a pocket-knife? .

Celtic Savage?? a bit harsh. Celtic Idiot granted but Savage????

on the other part, any supporter in any ground could carry a pocket knife. your statement is a bit like 'what if the next car that passes me has a loon driving it and decides to knock me down.' a total hypotetical statement that has no bearing on the incident.

i don't think there is a person on this thread who does anything but condemn the supporter entering the field of play, but there is a total lack of preseptive in the situation. had Dida not feigned injury the incident would be dealt with by a small fine. Dida's over reaction has exaggerated the seriousness of the incident.

Originally Posted by Sheridan

I'm not surprised he tried to get the match abandoned, or at the very least attain the safety of the dressing rooms.

Dida's motives for feigning injury had absolutely nothing to do with his own safety! If it were why didn't he use his last few steps before he 'collapsed' to run toward the dressingroom instead of chasing the 'savage'


your post is either sarcastic (maybe i missed that), WUMming or you too are a bubble boy!

Can a mod lock this thread, it's absolutely pathetic?! And Hibs4Ever, you must have a lot of time on your hands

right, I've read all the posts, and watched the video.

Here's my 2 cents -

1. Celtic are at fault for their stewarding; they allowed a fan to come on and make physical contact with a player (doesn't matter which player on which team). They should be punished in accordance with whatever the guidelines/regulations are.

2. It is clear that physical contact was made with Dida, however slight, and he went down afterwards. Now, the vast majority, including myself, believe he went down of his own free will for his own reasons. But the authorities will be reluctant, I think, to punish him in any way. By punishing a player for "diving" even when physical contact has been made would open up a huge can of worms, and I don't think they want to do that.

Originally Posted by kev mcq

Can a mod lock this thread, it's absolutely pathetic?! And Hibs4Ever, you must have a lot of time on your hands

Why??

Originally Posted by Sheridan

Dida has an obligation to his personal safety (bear in mind that one of his team-mates' relatives was kidnapped and murdered because of his status as a professional footballer, and he himself comes from a country where this is commonplace) and it was clear once that scumbag got on the pitch that security at the venue was inadequate. What if the next celtic savage who invaded his goalmouth was carrying a pocket-knife? I'm not surprised he tried to get the match abandoned, or at the very least attain the safety of the dressing rooms.

Kidnap - murder - pocket knife ? some imagination at play there.
Looked no more threatening than a streaker who kept his clothes on.

"I'm not surprised he tried to get the match abandoned"
Then, not a crime against football in your opinion ?
Well within his rights?

Originally Posted by osarusan

...the vast majority, including myself, believe he went down of his own free will for his own reasons. But the authorities will be reluctant, I think, to punish him in any way. By punishing a player for "diving" even when physical contact has been made would open up a huge can of worms, and I don't think they want to do that.

http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/afde...unduct_557.pdf

Read the seventh page.
Directive

If blatant simulation, caution

Ifminimal contact, consider cautioning player

Originally Posted by Hibs4Ever

The Denmark fan ran towards the ref, didn't get that far and didn't make ANY contact with him

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=R3e-BHy1bks

Really?

Originally Posted by John83

http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/afde...unduct_557.pdf

Read the seventh page.
Directive
If blatant simulation, caution
Ifminimal contact, consider cautioning player

Although "consider cautioning player" is different from the calls to ban and hang him.

I sincerely hope no-one on this forum is stupid enough to suppose that those regulations apply in this case.

Whatever they do they should not let a can of worms get on the pitch

Originally Posted by NeilMcD

Whatever they do they should not let a can of worms get on the pitch

AC Milan did a great impression of worms last night , they spend more time wriggling on the ground it was embarassing to watch. Dida aside ,as that has all been beaten to death already on the tread , Kaka was an absolute disgrace . Best player in the world ..................as my ould fellow says if this lot were playing in Thurles with hurleys they would have to lock the gates to keep them in.

Originally Posted by Hibs4Ever

Look at the Denmark game from last year where a fan tried to get the ref but didnt really get near him.

They got the game result changed to a 3-0 loss and where force to play their next four games 250 km away



UEFA don't care if contact was minimal - the fan got on the pitch and made contact with the keeper. Thats all that'll matter to them

fair point ... but anybody watching should be able to see whole picture keeper was struck by fan .. but made a 4 course meal out of it.. ... celtic should get fined or play next game behind closed doors.. but dida should also get punished by uefa also..
but with uefa anything is possible ...

Originally Posted by NeilMcD

Whatever they do they should not let a can of worms get on the pitch

why not?

the worms would surely improve the drainage by providing those nice little tunnels. I say let the worms on but Ban the cans!