QuoteSo who really was at fault, Discuss!!!!!
Heard this documentary previewed on News Talk 106 this morning.Neither of the main protagonists were invited to contribute, the focus being the National reaction/over reaction to same.The clip they played really gave a good flavour of the passions aroused in 2002.Sunday September 30 on Setanta.....if we can't look forward, might as well look back.Stans " I never heard language like it" remains a classic.
So who really was at fault, Discuss!!!!!
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You cannot be serious!...Seriously, the rights and wrongs aren't the issues explored, rather the civil war style brother against brother disputes it spawned.Originally Posted by NeilMcD
Just messing thats all. Sorry about that.
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No worries, last nights humbling by the Hoops must have you looking for distractions....
Yeah a bit of a disaster. Had a lot of the ball but did not create enough clear chances.
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I saw something like this about a year back, I think it was called The Saipan Saga.
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Don't mention the war....etc etc
I hope Eddie O'Sullivan has taken note of the lessons.
Quite an appropriate statement:Don't mention the war....etc etc
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Saipan
Forget about the performance or entertainment. It's only the result that matters.
There was a programme on The History Channel about The Battle of Saipan the other week. Wasn't bad! A lot of innocent people died. Looks like a nice place now.
Ray Treacy/McCarthy...remember his famous quip "... a guy at an airport gave me a slip of paper with the name Saipan written on it." then he and McCarthy went on a fact finding mission months in advance and decided that the facilities their were exactly what was required...
Most soldiers are innocent as well. Just conscripted in to an army to fight because their politicians have decided to make war. Defenceless might be a better word.
Saw the programme. Was good but then I'll watch anything about WW2. RTE are running an excellent programme on Stalingrad.
Puts the whole Irish Saipan thing in to perspective when one thinks of the blood that was spilled there 60 years previously.
Forget about the performance or entertainment. It's only the result that matters.
[QUOTE=OwlsFan;774125]Most soldiers are innocent as well. Just conscripted in to an army to fight because their politicians have decided to make war. Defenceless might be a better word.
Saw the programme. Was good but then I'll watch anything about WW2. RTE are running an excellent programme on Stalingrad.
Puts the whole Irish Saipan thing in to perspective when one thinks of the blood that was spilled there 60 years previously.[
Yeah I headed up to Krackow after the Ireland games last week and went to Birkenau and Auchwitz. Certainly put into perspective the 2 results.
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I went to visit Dachau after the Stuttgart game. Found the town easy enough but we couldn't find where the Camp was. No street sign, not on the tourist trail. Got out of the car and started to ask people ´where is ze Concentration Camp?'. Nobody had a clue, total memory wipeout, we became more persistant and went into every shop, spoke loudly but politly´Íf you please, can you guide me in the direction of the Concentration Camp´
Finally someone told us that it was off such and such a road out of town, watch out for the sign with some name.
Finally, finally, we saw the sign (long name), a small little thing hidden in the overgrowth. Got to the front gate - Closed on Mondays.
I was at Dachau in the 90s. "Arbeit Macht Frei". Eerie and heart breaking.
Auchwitz is one of those places that just turns your blood stone cold. Sickening to walk around and think of what went on in that place. I'd imagine Saipan has place like that. Like the cliffs people would jump off & throw there babies & young children into the sea rather than face the Japenese. But yet Saipan will be remember for two Irish men (one with a thick Yorkshire accent) having a tiff over a bumpy football pitch. The Irish Civil War crap gets to me as well. I was pro-McCarthy, but here I am five years wearing a t-shirt that says ' Keano Kicks Ass'.
the guy was on this forum about 4 or 5 months back asking for peoples tales and fueds during saipan, he wanted me to do an interview, but i declined as the material would be embarassing to the family and the auld one would go mad
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I was there in 2000, spooky place. I have a postcard of the gates with 'Arbeit Macht Frei' on them at home to keep things in perspective. I don't remember it being hard to find though.
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You were in Munich right?? You need to get a bus from the S Bahn. It is documented in the guides OK. Quite a few visitors when we were there. It is very chilling. Some of my mates went to Terazin near Prague on this trip and found it equally so. These were only holding camps. I can only imagine what Auschwitz is like.
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