John Joe O'Toole

**richieos** · 30/10/2008, 3:45 PM

Pretty much all the papers in england this morning report that Newcastle are chasing John Joe. Good move for him? good chance to see if he can cut it in the premiership and newcastle will have a player with real heart..

**third policeman** · 30/10/2008, 4:31 PM

Originally Posted by jbyrne

all just rumour, nothing more. when/if they get their transfers and show they are up to it then they should be called up and not before. have been hearing about garvan for a few years now yet he is still playing for a mid table championship side. the jury is still out

with regards to Irelands management, given our decent start i would trust their judgement on team selection to date

I think Garvan's lengthy absence with glandular feaver may have delayed what looked like an imminent move to THe Premiership (Everton had made an offer but were not willing to pay the �5 million that Ipswich were demanding).

I would still prefer to see players who are excelling at Championship level playing ahead of guys who are playing reserve team football. If we had established Premiership players then I would agree with you but we dont.
I think its also a bit difficult to argue that the results justify the selection. We have been playing against pretty mediocre opposition and the performances (except agianst Georgia perhaps) have not been especially impressive particularly in the last game where Cyprus monopolised midfield posession. There is only one way of establishing whether the likes of O'Toole, McCann or Garvan would perform better and that is playing them against Poland.

**jbyrne** · 30/10/2008, 4:53 PM

Originally Posted by third policeman

I think its also a bit difficult to argue that the results justify the selection. We have been playing against pretty mediocre opposition and the performances (except agianst Georgia perhaps) have not been especially impressive particularly in the last game where Cyprus monopolised midfield posession.

yes you can. we had one point after three games in the last campaign but have 7 from 9 in this. we were good for long parts of the potentially tricky match in montenegro. we havent been brilliant or very entertaining but what counts above everything else is that we qualify for the wc whether we play well or not. so far so good on that front

**third policeman** · 31/10/2008, 7:08 AM

Originally Posted by jbyrne

yes you can. we had one point after three games in the last campaign but have 7 from 9 in this. we were good for long parts of the potentially tricky match in montenegro. we havent been brilliant or very entertaining but what counts above everything else is that we qualify for the wc whether we play well or not. so far so good on that front

My point was that results cannot prove that the players selected are better that the players who weren't selected. We might have done better against Cyprus with a Garvan / McCann pairing. There again we might not. The point is that it is only be giving these players a chance against Poland that we are going to find out whether they are good enough.

**Ordinary Fan** · 31/10/2008, 8:07 AM

It is good for players to move up a level but I don't see Bewcastle signing anyone unless there is a change of owner. The manager is only there on a temporey basis at the moment.

**Stuttgart88** · 31/10/2008, 12:23 PM

You can see the headlines: John-Joe O'Toon...

**passinginterest** · 31/10/2008, 12:24 PM

John Joins Joe's O'Tooney Army

You read it here first!

**Kingdom** · 31/10/2008, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by passinginterest

John Joins Joe's O'Tooney Army

You read it here first!

I'm struggling reading that nevermind trying to say it!

**The Fly** · 25/02/2009, 5:00 PM

Over on eleven-a-side, it's reported that he has been loaned out to Sheff Utd.
Can anyone confirm this?

edit: ^ Oops! Just read the Irish Abroad thread. Apologies.

Anyway, does anyone know why he has been loaned out? It seems odd given his early season promise.

**SkStu** · 25/02/2009, 5:42 PM

from my reading it sounded like financial problems for Watford??

from the skysports article:

"Watford boss Brendan Rodgers revealed during the January transfer window that he was hoping to keep O'Toole at Vicarage Road, despite the club's financial predicament.

However, O'Toole has now headed to South Yorkshire, although he will be ineligible for Thursday's FA Cup fifth-round replay against Hull City."

**Stuttgart88** · 12/09/2009, 8:55 PM

Where is JJ these days?

He finished last season on loan at Sheff United, and was injured for the play off final I think.

**Stuttgart88** · 12/09/2009, 9:16 PM

answering my own question: on loan at Colchester in L1, under Aidy Boothroyd, his old Watford manager. Long way from being bought by Newcastle when they were still in the PL.

Pretty disappointing background on JJOT on the Watford forums, if true:

http://www.wfcforums.com/showthread.php?t=30200

**Irish_Praha** · 12/09/2009, 9:18 PM

Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

Where is JJ these days?

He finished last season on loan at Sheff United, and was injured for the play off final I think.

Bit of a strange one but he's on loan at Colchester until January.
I thought he would be at least good enough to play in the Championship. Unusual that Watford don't want him playing for them.

**Irish_Praha** · 12/09/2009, 9:27 PM

Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

answering my own question: on loan at Colchester in L1, under Aidy Boothroyd, his old Watford manager. Long way from being bought by Newcastle when they were still in the PL.

Pretty disappointing background on JJOT on the Watford forums, if true:

http://www.wfcforums.com/showthread.php?t=30200

Just read a few pages of that forum. If it's true about the drinking I hope he grows up a bit and turns it around.

**Colbert Report** · 12/09/2009, 9:42 PM

Sounds like a total moron.

**OwlsFan** · 13/09/2009, 8:14 AM

I saw JJ play a few times in teh Championship and I thought he was a good prospect. Perhaps Sligo Hornet can fill us in here unless he's off down the boozer with JJOT

?

**NeilMcD** · 13/09/2009, 12:52 PM

I bet JJOT is buying the drink too.

**philliyk** · 13/09/2009, 1:01 PM

Something must defo be up with him cause I know Blackwell was determined to sign him up in the summer & even talk of an agreed deal at the time of the T.Smith fiasco but the move was put on hold due to the ongoing injury he had then all went quiet & I just assumed Blackwell was waiting on the injury to go away before signing - never saw nowt about a move to colchester

**elroy** · 13/09/2009, 5:18 PM

hes only 20 so theres hope for him. Its unfortunate how many of our young players go this route, suppose its in our nature, the thorntons immediately come to mind. The overall consensus on the watford site seems to be that he has bucketloads of potential but major lack of professionalism.