Sad Sobering Fact I Fear

[Seano]

Its an unbeliveable turanaround by the FAI that they should stand by the manager now, considering how easily they bowed down to the 'McCarthy out Keane back in' brigade and sacked a manager who had built a team capable of both qualifying for and competing in the later stages of a world cup

[geysir]

Or simply the realisation that the current set up is irreparably broken and there are very few credible candidates to take over?

You can stay calm and measured all you like but , the odd bit of hyperbole apart (I now accept after reading your quotes), Dunphy was correct.

Are you happy that things can get better if nothing much is changed?

Dunphy´s pretends to be a mob politician, (whatever its called when the mob surround the jail and want to hang the prisoner on the nearest tree).
I don´t care with what is actually right in his content, it´s the mob psychology rampage that is repugnant. In fact Dunphy wouldn´t be fit to spit on Stan´s boots nor any of the past managers he has spewed upon.
I´d agree with what Giles said, he is spot on. I have respect for Stan and what he tried to do, albeit not very well, but Stan put his faith and belief in certain players to deliver a type of performance and for the team to play a certain type of game.
Last night after being totally played off the park for 35 minutes we had 10 mins of a spark followed by a 2nd half of being comfortably contained, reduced to a few gammy goal chances. With Kerr, only the Keane return kept some optimism afloat after the Swiss debacle. Stan doesn´t have much of a defence by now.
Who wouldn´t want a good manager now?
It´s interesting listening to what other managers or potentential managers have to say about our players, team selection, tactics, strengths. You´d be surprised at the amount of wackiness going around.
re DOL, It is not a solution to create another problem.

[Stuttgart88]

It´s interesting listening to what other managers or potentential managers have to say about our players, team selection, tactics, strengths. You´d be surprised at the amount of wackiness going around.

I'm not sure I've heard anything from other managers.


I've no time for a lot of what Dunphy has said or they way he has said it in the past, but I thought the RTE panel's dissection of the failings were pretty incisive and fairly presented.

Team construction, balance, looking at players' match form rather their training form, learning on the job etc.

There's no stand out alternative and I think DOL may just be the best of an uninspiring lot. I've a very open mind on it.

What I don't have an open mind on is that we made a botch of this campaign, it's been a long time since we've been totally out with 3 games to go - and even before that we were clutching at straws. The only encouraging signs were in friendlies.

[galwayhoop]

Dunphy´s pretends to be a mob politician, (whatever its called when the mob surround the jail and want to hang the prisoner on the nearest tree).

the lads outside the jail are known as a 'Lynch Mob', i have never heard of a mob politician though. i know what you are getting at though, Dunphy loves to lead the Witch Hunt/Lynch Mob!!

[galwayhoop]

Team construction, balance, looking at players' match form rather their training form, learning on the job etc.

These are basics!!!!!

I don't need any other manager to tell me these ditties! anyone who has played football at ANY level know about the players who are brilliant in training but anonomous when it comes to games and also the reverse of those who don't train particulary well but are immense in games.

as for team construction and balance - well for a start the best players in their best positions ... and if possible left sided players on the left and right sided on the right unless there are no other options

As for learning on the job...... in what other field are you afforded 4 years to learn the basics when you are supposidely in the top position for your trade in the country!!!!!!!

[Stuttgart88]

I was just pointing out all of the simple but accurate points they made.

[geysir]

You should have let it ride, we wouldn´t have known.

[galwayhoop]

I was just pointing out all of the simple but accurate points they made.

fair enough!

but in fairness I think that everyone with even the basics could point out these.... oh ... except our Gafhur

[backstothewall]

Even a broken clock is right twice a day. Dunphy is right

[Reality Bites]

Even a broken clock is right twice a day. Dunphy is right

Yes Dunphy was right, and I am not a Fan of his either, but I fear after the mood settles and the average punters thoughts move elsewhere and we start another spring with a only a batch of friendlies against teams warming up for European Championship - Stan and Delaney will still be holding their Posts and we the fans get feed the usually crap about a building process in place , ya right!the spine of the team are well in their prime, Dunne, Given, Finnan, Duff, Keane, Kilbane etc - are they still being blooded?
I as a Fan have travelled extensively since I started earning a decent salary, my first trip was Russia 2002, a resounding defeat, but it was new ground I loved the experience building up to the match the craic etc, the nervous tension before the big game and most importantly I really felt like a real Fan, I kicked every ball from the stand in the locomotiv (spelling?) stadium in Moscow, I felt desperately depressed afterwards, but the experience was enough to drag me back again on countless trips to Switzerland, Cyprus, Scotland, France, Israel, Faroe Islands, all these trips although enjoyable produced preformance that were less than encouraging, at all times I felt bad management was to blame in some shape or form, and I finally decided after our 1-0 loss to Germany I was being short changed and Shafted by Irish Football, I spent a fortune on trips following the Boys in Green, attending Friendlies, keeping an eye on our talent in the premiership, But my conclusion marries exactlly with Dunphys Sentiments that we are gettin Rinky Dink Coaches too manage promising players..

So to conclude if I stop going to Friendlies and boarding planes and following my team around Europe because I believe the hierarchy in the FAI are hoodwinking me by putting in trainee coaches of little experience or pedigree cause they are Cheap? Does that make me a Fairweather Fan or unpatriotic?

[el punter]

.... if I stop going to Friendlies and boarding planes and following my team around Europe because I believe the hierarchy in the FAI are hoodwinking me by putting in trainee coaches of little experience or pedigree cause they are Cheap? Does that make me a Fairweather Fan or unpatriotic?

I believe your question to be somewhat rhetorical, but no harm in offering a response in the current climate.

The loyalty of fans is taking for granted so much by those who haven't paid for a match ticket in decades. There is only so much sh1t any supporter will be fed by the decision makers of the game. Revolution is needed, yes Dunphy is hysterical, but the majority of the posters on this board have been calling for Stan out before he was ever in - rightly so. We are in a poor place at the moment, a 3rd rate footballing nation in European terms.

This is not going to improve without experts calling the shots. We have a blundering rookie and an elderly, ill man as his mentor. They're nice guys, they're trying hard, but it's not good enough.

We must turn up at Croker and show our discontent. Show it loudly and clearly. The results on the field v Germany and Cyprus matter far less than the results which are needed off the field.

Delaney is a master politician, he will ride out this storm quietly in the hope that it passes - and in the meantime another qualifying campaign will be spunked away.

Are we going to look back in years to come and say these were dark days for Irish football and just blame Delaney - or do we blame ourselves for letting it happen.

The man is not a military dictator, he does not own Irish football, he will fold and give the people what they want, but we must make that abundantly clear to the FAI, the media and the Irish public.

[shaneker]

[quote=el punter;770920]We must turn up at Croker and show our discontent. Show it loudly and clearly. The results on the field v Germany and Cyprus matter far less than the results which are needed off the field.
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What is the best way to do that? I'd hate to think of us being like those England fans when they played Andorra.

[el punter]

What is the best way to do that? I'd hate to think of us being like those England fans when they played Andorra.

I think the black t-shirt protest mooted elsewhere on foot.ie is a good idea. This forum is probably the best place to co-ordinate the whole thing. Some press releases would highlight awareness for what's going on, and there's little the FAI stasi could do to stop it.

[shaneker]

I think the black t-shirt protest mooted elsewhere on foot.ie is a good idea. This forum is probably the best place to co-ordinate the whole thing. Some press releases would highlight awareness for what's going on, and there's little the FAI stasi could do to stop it.

I like the black t-shirt idea, support the team but not the organisation, makes it clear who we are mad at. Best I've heard so far.

[galwayhoop]

How about having writing on the T-Shirts:
Front:
I Support
IRELAND
Back:
NOT
the
FAI

[bennocelt]

Absolutely not!! I'd prefer an Irishman, someone who knows what the fans want and what it takes, not many out there but IMO we should not go down the route of appointing foreigners

yeah and Jack charlton was rubbish too!

[tetsujin1979]

Absolutely not!! I'd prefer an Irishman, someone who knows what the fans want and what it takes, not many out there but IMO we should not go down the route of appointing foreigners

I think we all would, but the fact of the matter is, there are very few (if any) Irish managers qualified to take on an international side. You have to put personal preference aside in favor of what is best for the team, if that means a foreign manager, then so be it.

[Irish_Praha]

I think we all would, but the fact of the matter is, there are very few (if any) Irish managers qualified to take on an international side. You have to put personal preference aside in favor of what is best for the team, if that means a foreign manager, then so be it.

I agree, we have given 2 100% Irish managers a shot and see where it's gotten us. It's time to get the best manager available who we can afford and who will take the job, regardless of his nationality, Irish or not.

[Superhoops]

I agree, we have given 2 100% Irish managers a shot and see where it's gotten us. It's time to get the best manager available who we can afford and who will take the job, regardless of his nationality, Irish or not.

That has always been the key issue, even before Staunton was given the job.

Does anyone really believe that a top manager/coach would want to take on a team that is only rated as a third seed and certainly outside the top 20 in Europe?

[Kingdom]

Stan must go, but he won't and Delaney will not sack him as he'd be admitting to making a mistake.

Dunphy was spot on last night, broke Brady's heart but at least he was man enough to admit it amd Giles as ever was right on the money.

Agree with this, particularily the sentiments about Brady. TBH I've never liked him as an analyst or critic, but I'll applaud him for being honest when it hurt him obviously so much, and added to the fact that it was a mate of his he was having to dissect. Kudos Brady, kudos!