Quotenot 100% sure but I think so... pretty criminal to give a complete novice that sort of contract length.
NO way stan will walk and Delaney aint gonna push him either..if he makes it to the end of the qualifiers in 3rd place he will be kept on and we will continue to go backwards...
not 100% sure but I think so... pretty criminal to give a complete novice that sort of contract length.
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contarct is till 2010 afaik and he will have to be paid out
Anyone able to post a video of dunphy's etc comments after?
Giles and Brady talked sense but another
Dunphy, the parish pump "champion of the common man" rant. Give me a break.
After the farcical train jibe?
Dunphy "do you think you can go straight into managing without experience"?
He didn´t say much after Brady said "well John did"
Giles replied "yes I did".
According to Dunphy We have great players eg.Doyle Hunt, even Long and Potter coming through, Given, Dunne, O´Shea Duff - not 'Andy Reid, he is just a championship player'.
Why? because Dunphy doesn't rate Reid, he wouldn´t admit that the championship player held his own out there.
Compare
Dunphy "a terrific squad of gifted and confident players"
Brady "no world class or extremly talented but about 6 very good players
as a nucleus and a fair share of good players"
Giles " not looking at whether they are world class but what I look at is are you getting the best of what is available, I don't think we are"
Lets do a whip round and give him his pay day, get O'Leary in and give him a shot at the WC quailfications.
I dont know or cant speak for anyone on this forum but I am ****ing heartbroken during the match i was gutted that we didnt turn up, the same team selection as saturday was nuts and the introduction of Hunt (forced) was what we needed. Another shagging summer of watching the Euro finals with no Ireland breaks my heart. Truely im devestated.
I think Dave O'Leary is the man for the job, hard and all as he is to take! He was fairly successful at Leeds, 5 top 5 finishes. Although he spent alot of money he did bring through some good young players like Woodgate, Smith etc. He had 1 very good season at Villa and 2 not so great. He is the best man for the job. At least we'd have a bit of structure and organisation.
Stan must go, but he won't and Delaney will not sack him as he'd be admitting to making a mistake.
Dunphy was spot on last night, broke Brady's heart but at least he was man enough to admit it amd Giles as ever was right on the money.
Stan has to go. We saw last night for 30 minutes the team that most supporters and pundits would have picked for the last two matches and the improvement was huge. It only came about because Stephen Ireland left and JOS got injured.
As much as I like Stan the player it has shown he is either clueless or plain pigheaded as a manager. The players and the fans deserve better.
I thought the RTE lads were good last night (even if Dunphy was a little over the top). You have to admire Brady for his frankness. You wouldn't get that on Sky or the BBC.
"I'd rather play in front of a full house than an empty crowd" Johnny Giles
I'd have no problems with a foreign coach. We need someone with a relatively successful record of working with a limited budget in club football, or previous experience on the international stage. That's the criteria for an international manager for a country like ours.
The only argument in Staunton favour is that he is learning the job but the management of the National Team is not the place to be learning your trade. Its a disgrace this novice is in charge of our football fortunes until 2010.
Always look on the bright side of life
I disagree with calls for guys like O'Leary and Aldridge to get the job. International football is an entirely different discipline to club management and the time has come to get someone who is a proven international manager. Real tactical nous is needed when there's no chequebooks around; someone with the resume of Guus Hiddink or as suggested elsewhere Roy Hodgson would be my choice.
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The desperate cries for O´Leary, are like the rantings of the religious right when another end of the world scenario looms.
Or simply the realisation that the current set up is irreparably broken and there are very few credible candidates to take over?
You can stay calm and measured all you like but , the odd bit of hyperbole apart (I now accept after reading your quotes), Dunphy was correct.
Are you happy that things can get better if nothing much is changed?
Hiddink is the man who should have got the job when he was available. The FAI bottled it because he would have wanted to change the whole structure of football in this country....which is totally needed. Hiddink would have wanted a stronger local league and would have wanted a full time academy set up. Obviously this would have put us in a much better psoition but the FAI were too afraid to do it and would still be. They have and always will have the wrong attitude to winning and qualifying for big Championships. I think a foreign coach, who is a good motivator as well as having a proper football brain, is the way forward with Kerr taking charge of the underage set-up again. Wouldn't fancy O'Leary too much to be honest.Originally Posted by el punter
You are correct on Hiddink. A candidate of his calibre is whats needed. However I suspect we will end up :
- being stuck with Stan til 2010.
- getting either O' Leary, Aldo ......
However, Brian Kerr has had his chance in the international setup and his results/performances were no better than Stans. I wouldnt have it within 100 miles of the setup ... and neither would a competent international manager like Hiddink.
bottom line is Stan chose to stay 'loyal' to his players from Sat night. Making only 1 enforced change. When it was plain for all to see that the likes of Kelly (@ LB) and McGeady were nowhere near the races.
Loyalty is all well and good in the long run - possibly stay loyal by selecting a player in the squad if you want - but in make or break one-off must win situation it is totally naïve to start a player who is not up to the job. I think that his inexperience was there for all to see on that decision alone.
Dunphy wasn't faultless. He is a two faced snake in the grass who will express any opinion which could contradict an opinion uttered only a few days previously just for the sake of being controversial. Before the Slovak game he said "McShane was an accident waiting to happen", that Reid was an average Championship player and that our midfield is just not good enough for this standard of football. Last night he says we should be playing at the Euro 2008 finals because of the players we have and he lists among them, John O'SheaIt is a total contradiction of what he said the previous game and I have it on tape to prove it. Of course I agreed with him about Hunt and Kelly (should be at right full) but then so did 90% of every other football fan. Nothing quality about that. He said players shouldn't go directly in to international football management until his hero Giles, pointed out that he did. As for the train analogy, if you been sitting in the front seat of a train hundreds of times watching a driver do his job, I think you could drive a train but all Bill can do is laugh. He is hopeless at arguing with the utter S**te he comes out with.
The FAI hire Stan, not the country so we might be rolling in dosh but that is irrelevant to Stan's remuneration or what we can afford to pay a manager. He scoffed at the predecessors (Kerr and McCarthy) - the absence of Charlton from that list was interesting. If the FAI could afford someone better, why wouldn't they hire them? The truth is no top class manager is interested in the job for 400K a year and the FAI can't afford to pay Stan off. No mention of this in the quality broadcasting. As ever no balance or contrary opinion. I'd love to get on that panel and show him up for the charlatan he is.
Forget about the performance or entertainment. It's only the result that matters.
on Stans over all inexperience for the job I disagree with Dunphy that just because he hadn't managed a team prior that should exclude someone from managing the national team.
John Giles (Ireland) and Royston Keane (Sunderland) are both neck deep in the Moral Courage which Dunphy talks of and both went straight to management from playing.
HOWEVER, some can do and some cannot. I think Stan is unfortunately not in the can bracket. It isn't just because he is a novice but moreso a lack of knowhow for the task at hand.
And as for the FAI giving him a 4 year contract while being totally inexperienced at any level.... well thats CRIMINAL.
Take this as an example, you interview well for a new job but have no experience to speak of; however the company decide to hire you anyhow. Now would it be normal for you to undergo a period of Probation or would the company give you a 4 year contract straight off - bearing in mind your inexperience???
As a person with no experience you would take the job on no contract (or very short term) as you beleive in your own ability to do the task at hand and as you would be so happy to get it in the first place! after all you would probably feel that you would have no right to play hardball (like a more experienced person for the position would) and try and hold out for a permanent/long term deal!!!
Bottom line is the FAI are at fault, not necessilary for appointing a novice, but for giving him a deal whereby financially they are unable to get rid of him if he isn't up to the job!
Agree with that. The 4 year contract was madness and I said it at the time. Most people when they go for a new job are given a probationary period. Not 4 years.
Forget about the performance or entertainment. It's only the result that matters.
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