QuoteDefo Red, he could have done some damage with that tackle, that's why they have been told to issue reds for challanges like that.
So tell me why in 40 years have we only had 2 decent away wins with teams far better than the one we went to Prague with. We way over-estimate the ability of our players:Originally Posted by Hibs4Ever
Given: playing in a mediocre Newcastle side. We think he's great but if he is top class why isn't he playing for one of the top 4 teams? Let the goal in at the near post by the way.
Kelly: below average.
O'Shea: Playing (occasionally as a sub) for a top team.
Dunne: Plays for an average Man City team. We think he's great but if he is top class why isn't he playing for one of the top 4 teams?
McShane: Described by Dunphy, much admired by some of this Forum, as "an accident waiting to happen". Up to recently a Championship player and now playing for relegation candidates.
McGeady: Falls over 50% of the time when the ball is near him or runs up dead ends. Plays in a second rate league.
Reid: Championship player who failed the test in the Premiership.
Carlsley; Plays for average Premiership side and is not a creative midfielder.
Kilbane: Average player at Wigan Athletic.
DOyle, Hunt & Long: Play for Reading. We think they're great but in truth are they anything special and if so, what are they doing at Reading.
Keane: Spurs but again not playing for a top side.
Finnan: Only player playing regularly for a top side.
It is by and large a team of ordinary players who, because they're ours, we think they're great. That said, much of the opposition we have faced have been ordinary as well but we don't do away wins against mid ranking teams. Sad but true and perhaps a continental manager could somehow change the mindset of the players but I doubt it.
We need to be realistic.
Forget about the performance or entertainment. It's only the result that matters.
Defo Red, he could have done some damage with that tackle, that's why they have been told to issue reds for challanges like that.
It's only just begun...............
If the last 21 years were class, here's looking forward to the next 21 years. It is our time
i disagree, if you watch it , you can see he tucks his trailing leg, i admit it was reckless, but not a red, a yellow and final warning, but not a red. tis a shame, because hunt looked quite good when he came on. breathed life into a stagnant attack.
illiteracy and alphabet soup hmm?
The point people are trying to make OwlsFan is that if we were organised properly we could be in contention for qualifying, just like Scotland who now top their group with a bunch of players that are no better or worse than our players. The big difference is, like Northern Ireland aka Sanchez, they play like a team, are organised and have a manager with some tactical abililties, unlike our bumbling novice.
Always look on the bright side of life
Its doesn't matter a jot.
We're out.
I think I should the parachute, because I'm great.
In fact, I think I should get both parachutes, in case one doesn't work.
it wasn't a red card. I was disgusted with the Czech's rolling around throughout the game.
"If God had meant football to be played in the air, he'd have put grass in the sky." Brian Clough.
You'll NEVER beat the Irish.......you'll just draw with us instead!!!
A bumbling novice whose only previous coaching/managerial experience was picking up the training cones at Walsall for Paul Merson.
to Owlsfan
I dont agree with your comments on Given and Dunne, they are quality, Given consistantly and Dunne the past 2/3 seasons....just because they havent been bought by one of the top 4 dosent make them any less good!
anyways i dont think anybody is coming on here saying we have a team full of world class players but we most defintely have a team more than capable of qualifying for a major tournament and progressing... you could easily pick apart the Czech or Slovak teams in the manner you did and im sure it would not make for much prettier reading. It has to come down to management, getting the best out of what you have...try pick apart stauntons managerial career and see how top class that is...................if you can find it that is
dunphy has asked for every single manager to get sacked. listen to him at your peril.
truth be told I agree with owlsfan. as for noely saying certain views mean you shouldn't be on a forum- get a grip pal.
anyway - this isn't a great bunch of players. How do we know stan isn't a genius and the lads are just shambolic.
Scotland's players aren't that mediocre. a few of those lads are pretty good. They are well organised and so were greece when they won. they have a good measured approach which is what stan has tried to do but I don't think the players are capable of playing that game against good oppostion - they haven't the capability.
Even Reid last night a guy with great control was hoofing it when he should have been controling it and moving it around(what he was brought in to do)
we probably do need a new manager but don't expect to suddenly finish in the top 2 of a group with the same players. otherwise the next guy will be villified as well. spot the pattern.
I bet mick looks pretty good now compared to kerr and staunton.
From th BBC: Staunton defiant despite defeat
"We are in a building process. I said that from day one. It's coming along nicely," said the Irish manager. ???? It's coming along nicely?
Is it just me or have I missed something here? We have just failed to qualify for yet another tournament, we have witnessed 2 of the worst performances ever from any Irish sporting team under Stan, we have snatched a draw from the clutches of victory in Slovakia, The WELSH then go there and stuff the same Slovaks 5-2? Our position in the rankings/seedings are in freefall and Stan thinks we're "doing nicely" Jesus H, talk about Nero fiddling whilst Rome burns! FFs will someone please give Stan a reality check. We're a basket case, we are on our way to being rated the worst team in these islands never mind Europe. We are becoming a laughing stock if we are not one already and on top of that we are being 'managed' (and i say say that with a huge dollop of irony) by a deluded numpty backed up by a committee of blundering idiots and ceo who have adopted the ostrich routine. We need a manager now who actually can manage and who can make the most of the players we have. Failure to get maximum points from our last 3 games could cost us a WC place as well! Doing nicely my a**e!
This fine mess is solely the fault of Delaney and the FAI, Stan simply wasn't ready for the job. Delaney out.
Not a chance it was a straight red. Can't even tackle anymore?
And you ask me to help you??!! Man is evil!!!! Capable of nothing but destruction!
We'd have beaten feckin Cyprus and put away San Marino properly.Do you honestly think that if we were managed by Alex F or Arsene W etc etc we would have gone out and beaten the Czech Republic?
We might have held on to the win at home to the Czechs, if only because we'd have had Paddy Kenny in goal instead of Wayne Henderson.
We'd have gotten the three points against Slovakia.
What's that, 3+2+2 = 7 extra points. We'd be bitching about how this loss in Prague was a minor setbeck and that we haven't yet qualified.
Basically, losing in Prague was always on the cards. It's other stuff that has fecked up this campaign. We were hammered 5-2 by Cyprus.
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Couldnt agree more with your posts. Sadly its not in the blazers interests to apply common sense and look long term. Twenty years on from the start of the glory days we dont even have a ground for the national team.
When the football association's top men all "support" english clubs and love the free trips abroad you know we have no chance of putting root and branch structures in.
Have to smile when I see how upset the ole ole brigade get when we lose. The next week most of them will be off to the pub to "cheer" on mankpool without seeing the laughable contradictions in their behaviour. These people's loyalties are scary.
Every league club should be getting at least 5,000 gates every single week. This would provide much needed revenue which in turn would mean better facilities for the players and an opportunity for the clubs to invest in academies for the kids. I'm not saying this would stop the most talented going to england but there would be a reason to stay at home.
Despite us winning 4-0 in Denmark their domestic league is something we should look at. It is arguably the strongest in Scandinavia at least judging by the beatings we have taken from them the last couple of years. But they support their domestic league. Went to a game there in a town of a population of 56,000. The attendance was 8,000 and the facilities top notch.
We are light years behind and this is down to the attitude of our population. Why whinge about how poor our league is without supporting it? Time to put up or shut up.
KOH
Yes, why not. He could bring a lot to the team. Hes proven a the top level. Unlucky not to win Euro 96. Good few results at World Cups.
Think a European manager with a bit of savvy who can look at things from a different angle is what might be needed.
Lets try it, cant get much worse.
Exactly, we were trounced by a team, comprising of 6 or 7 cypriot players who had been humbled by Cork City a week earlier in a European tie. This says to me that the Irish international team is a shambles. We scored in injury time against a bunch of butchers and bakers who would not win the Oscar Traynor trophy. I suppose things have improved ever so slightly since the San Marino and Cyprus games but it is still a shamples. We have no pattern to our play, no cohesion. Players playing out of position like Kelly who I think touched the ball once with his left foot. The team is an embarrassment. And thats Staunton and Delaneys fault.
Always look on the bright side of life
I know it is a way off topic..
Dublin's population est1.5 million .... top clubs Bohs and Shamrock Rovers average attendances 1,500? Embarrassing to say the least. With a population like that there should be a team(s) pushing to play Champions League football. With a home team playing in competitions like these the players would be well prepared for big games for their country if they were ver needed. The Czechs have many Slavia Prague players over the years representing them. Dunno who said it, but they mentioned playing for Steve Coppell at Reading or an Irish team and Reading being the top choice, well that is the unfortunate scenario now. However, it shouldn't be and it annoys me that a ****hole like Reading could be seen as a better step than anything that this country has to offer. Why can't we attract new fans and new money into the domestic league? Why can't we have new purpose built stadia? If the standard is raised (stadia, youth and coaching) and the FAI promote the game here our teams should aspire to be at least better than a 2nd rate English team like Reading. It is fundamentally a problem with the Irish attitude to look to England as the be all and end all. We have players like Andy Reid who shouldn't be looking to ply their trade with teams like Charlton. A player of his technical ability should be playing in European leagues where tactics and technique are paramount to playing the game at International level. If its money he is after we should be looking to have clubs here that can compete with Championship clubs. There are not enough Irish players coming through the system, we should be able to have a full youth product that the English et al can pay our clubs for instead of poaching the Irish youth.
As Irishmen we dilute our sense of nation by depending on the English to bring us our balls
Couldnt agree more. Thanks for the memories Stan.
Delaney is an accountant, he balances the books.
Doesnt give a crap about Irish Football.
Get him out.
Hodgson should be easily within budget. He's a good continental manager (I know he's from Croyden, but he has a wealth of experience from the likes of Inter Milan, Switzerland, Swedish clubs, Finland etc). I don't know if he would leave the Finnish job now as they look like they might make it to Euro 2008. I doubt the FAI would consider him though as they probably haven't heard of him.
I've just been looking at the different possibilities for the final table and it dosen't make good reading. We could end up finishing 4th getting overtaken by Wales. Us, lose to Germany, win against Cyprus? and lose to Wales who have a game in hand and whose last game on Nov 21st is against a qualified Germany, they have away games in Cyp/SMar and us at home?? They are in a better position than us and with goalscorers like Bellamy/Eastwood and an experienced manager they will probably do the business and 4th is about all we can hope for assuming we don't get stuffed by Cyprus that is!
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