Why support ireland

**don ramo** · 10/09/2007, 11:04 AM

Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

Ah, that old chestnut.

not sayin do it, but some players are not performiong, go back watch the game and tell me all these players deserve to be playing for ireland, i think you may find 4-6 players last night shouldnt be near a national team

**Stuttgart88** · 10/09/2007, 11:06 AM

Originally Posted by Higgo

ISome people who attend International games are an embarrassment to us in the way they carry on

And hundreds if not thousands aren't. Don't tell me you're proud to be associated with each and every Shels fan.

Personally, I'm taking the old fart stance of thinking that a good number of the younger fans have no appreciateion of what they're inheriting, but by and large I think Irish fans put on a decent show abroad.

**Stuttgart88** · 10/09/2007, 11:10 AM

Originally Posted by don ramo

not sayin do it, but some players are not performiong, go back watch the game and tell me all these players deserve to be playing for ireland, i think you may find 4-6 players last night shouldnt be near a national team

My mantra like assertion on this issue is that there's not much wrong that a proper central midfield wouldn't improve drastically. We were spoilt to have RMK but this current side with almost any midfield pairing we've been able to put out since the early 80s would be a dramatically better team.

O'Shea annoys me though.

**don ramo** · 10/09/2007, 11:14 AM

irish fams are great for travelling, but lets face it, there are cracks in the team and they must be fixed, you cant ignore them, just beating san marino, then a few days later put in a perfromance that would have demolished a team like san marino, that performance saturday night and watch now they do a great job against the czechs,

and dont question my loyalty i support them, im just dont see the point in clapping the team on when they underperform which seem to be becoming acceptable in this and the last quaifiing campaign,

**Stuttgart88** · 10/09/2007, 11:20 AM

I didn't question your loyalty, but since you ask, you kind of invite the query by starting a thread "Why Support Ireland?".

**don ramo** · 10/09/2007, 11:21 AM

McGeady, Ireland, Carsley, Kilbane, thats what we have, all big players according to the tabloids, there suppose to be well able to give a good performance for ireland, sure i thought theyd never shut up about why lee carsley isnt in the team, so he must be good, stephen ireland is id say the only one who should be there , his record speaks for itself, mcgeady isnt all that to be quiet honest, and kilbane keeps falling down when he runs with the ball, hes like clinton morrison lots and lots of runing, might pop up every so often with something 1 in 5, im looking more to 5 in 5, am i wrong to expect this from players playing in THE best league in the world,

**Dublin12** · 10/09/2007, 11:32 AM

kilbane keeps falling down when he runs with the ball, hes like clinton morrison lots and lots of runing,

He must have been one of those kids that ran to the shops all the time when he got his pocket money with his ball under his arm.

**Higgo** · 10/09/2007, 11:37 AM

Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

And hundreds if not thousands aren't. Don't tell me you're proud to be associated with each and every Shels fan.

Personally, I'm taking the old fart stance of thinking that a good number of the younger fans have no appreciateion of what they're inheriting, but by and large I think Irish fans put on a decent show abroad.

No I think it's fair to say that I don't get on with a lot of Shels supporters. The difference is...I respect them for supporting a local club. I have no respect whatsoever for an Irish person who wears an English jersey at an international. There are far too many of them and you know it. Furthermore, any person who plasters CHELSEA across a tri-colour should be ejected from a home game. Many Irish people are too fickle and quite frankly are an embarrassment. Do you not agree?

**NY Hoop** · 10/09/2007, 11:53 AM

Originally Posted by Higgo

No I think it's fair to say that I don't get on with a lot of Shels supporters. The difference is...I respect them for supporting a local club. I have no respect whatsoever for an Irish person who wears an English jersey at an international. There are far too many of them and you know it. Furthermore, any person who plasters CHELSEA across a tri-colour should be ejected from a home game. Many Irish people are too fickle and quite frankly are an embarrassment. Do you not agree?

Spot on. That clown with his name on the flag sums up the Irish football "fans" for me.

Anyway slagging Kilbane is way off. Always turns up and gives a 100% which cant be said for a lot of others.

KOH

**jbyrne** · 10/09/2007, 12:05 PM

Originally Posted by reder

Oh, its at times like these you find out who the real fans are!

With all due respect I thought the support on sat night was shocking. As each away game passes, I see more and more soccer am morons in our support. The most embarrassing thing on sat was our fans singing, "you're no singing anymore" and at a few hundred Slovaks.

were you even at the match? i was and i didn�t hear anyone singing �youre not singing anymore�. to have a pop at our fans is ridiculous beyond words, we had more fans in the stadium than they had!! what other country would have 6,000 travel to such a game? i thought the support was excellent throughout although a roof over our heads would�ve kept the noise in better. granted there are always a few day trippers but i keep seeing the same fans turn up game after game in the hope that we might actually have a win to celebrate. despite our poor away competitive record we continually travel in large numbers with great nature and not even a whiff of trouble. without doubt the best fans around

**cobra** · 10/09/2007, 12:05 PM

Originally Posted by don ramo

and dont question my loyalty i support them, im just dont see the point in clapping the team on when they underperform which seem to be becoming acceptable in this and the last quaifiing campaign,

I was in Cyprus back in october when we got thumped 5-2

and I can assure you them players were not applauded at final whistle, they were getting booed big time after it.

**jbyrne** · 10/09/2007, 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by NY Hoop

Spot on. That clown with his name on the flag sums up the Irish football "fans" for me.

Anyway slagging Kilbane is way off. Always turns up and gives a 100% which cant be said for a lot of others.

KOH

do you know anything about that fan? he was born in england with irish parents. so what if he puts chelsea on his flag? i saw a lad at the weekend with a great polo top with a half QPR crest and half Irish crest with "club and country" written underneath. they are allowed follow who they like. this is sport we are talking about after all!!

**Higgo** · 10/09/2007, 12:16 PM

Originally Posted by jbyrne

were you even at the match? i was and i didn�t hear anyone singing �youre not singing anymore�. to have a pop at our fans is ridiculous beyond words, we had more fans in the stadium than they had!! what other country would have 6,000 travel to such a game? i thought the support was excellent throughout although a roof over our heads would�ve kept the noise in better. granted there are always a few day trippers but i keep seeing the same fans turn up game after game in the hope that we might actually have a win to celebrate. despite our poor away competitive record we continually travel in large numbers with great nature and not even a whiff of trouble. without doubt the best fans around

That is the biggest load of **** I have ever read. Do you want a medal for supporting your team? Following your team through thick and thin is what it's all about. 'The best fans in the world'....utter nonsense. Do you not realise that football is rotten in this country, right from the top down?? In my opinion, in general, Irish football fans are a joke. Get a grip.

**Dodge** · 10/09/2007, 12:21 PM

Originally Posted by jbyrne

what other country would have 6,000 travel to such a game?

England, Scotland and probably northern ireland too.

**MojoPin** · 10/09/2007, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by eekers

31 goals, 74 games

david healy 51 caps 25 goals.. 11 in these qualifiers alone...

pride passion and drive......

robbie keane....... none of the above

**Dodge** · 10/09/2007, 12:48 PM

Originally Posted by baileban

Dodge - a great intervention there about England, Scotland and N.I. - you probably couldn't bring yourself to agree with jbyrne but had to find some other angle to get your 2cents in.

I was stating a fact. This notion of "greatest fans in the world" bugs the hell out of me.

**Higgo** · 10/09/2007, 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by baileban

You're the joke Higgo - jbyrne is right - they can follow who they want. There are plenty of people in England who were born and bred there but with Irish parents - all of them proud Irish people. If they want to put Chelsea or Liverpool or Scunthorpe or any club on their tricolour then let them off - it doesn't make them any less of a supporter - they are out there following the team. A stupid comment by the Chelsea-wearing bloke to the Shels supporter but by and large they are there for the right reasons.
Who are you to insult 6000-7000 people( and sometimes more) that have shelled out hard-earned cash to follow their country??
Have you shelled out to see Ireland play abroad? If you have then you are in a position to comment but not insult.
If you haven't then shut the fcuk up.

Dodge - a great intervention there about England, Scotland and N.I. - you probably couldn't bring yourself to agree with jbyrne but had to find some other angle to get your 2cents in.

I'm entitled to my opinion, as you are. I am not talking about everyone...you'd see that if you read my posts. And I don't dispute that a person can follow whoever they like. What I am saying is that football is in a terrible state in this country and following the national team around all over the world is not going to change this. Going to an Ireland game wearing a Chelsea shirt is symbolic of a person who does not give a **** about Irish football.

**Wolfie** · 10/09/2007, 12:55 PM

Why Support Ireland?

The Slovakians late equaliser was the latest in a long line of heartbreaks that the long suffering Irish Support have had to endure and suffer.

Yet again, every part of your being implores the team to hang on, keep them out for a few more minutes - retain the ball, box clever, just mark them man for man and we're safe. Deep down, you know the inevitable is coming. Bitter experience tells you. Once more you curse your luck. Once more, you raise your eyes to the Gods and exclaim "Not again!!"

It's the teams self infliction that hurts the most. We do it to ourselves.

Despair, anger, frustration and regretting the sheer wasted time and energy. And then the question arises in your mind "Why do I bother with this lot?"

The simple answer (for most of us I'd suggest when the anger subsides) - is that I love this football team. I don't have a choice.

I will continue to endure their failings, short comings, bewildering incompetencies at times - because I remember the excitement of my first game seeing Liam Brady play in 1985, the Bulgaria match in 87, our heroics in Euro 88, the peno shoot out of 90, Italy in 94, the Dutch in 01 and the last minute equaliser (for us for once!!!!) against the Germans in 02.

We can't turn our back on this team. Its our team.

**jbyrne** · 10/09/2007, 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by Higgo

You sir are an idiot. Full stop.

attack the post not the poster. if you cant come up with something intellegent to add please dont bother wasting space

**Stuttgart88** · 10/09/2007, 12:58 PM

Sure who gives the "best fans in world" mantle anyway? Marian Fincane and the likes.

We have very good international fans, no more, no less. Colourful, vociferous, numerous and well behaved.

In response to way back above, I totally dislike English, Scottish or any club shirts at an Ireland game. I actually think eL shirts or even county GAA shirts (contradictory maybe) are OK the night before the game but on the day it's all about the Boys in GREEN.

Clubs on flags are ok in my opinion. I think there's a touch of the paradoxical about Chelsea given the feeling among their older hard core for anything Irish but that's me being sensitive I think.

jybryne got totally uncalled for abuse above. What's the procedure for reporting a post?