QuoteThe price stated on the radio was, I think, 2-3k depending on what extras you wanted. Anyone who's club has one know the cost.Originally Posted by Dyl10
I was trained to use Defib only last week. Its a must for EL clubs to have one. you never know when it might be needed.
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The price stated on the radio was, I think, 2-3k depending on what extras you wanted. Anyone who's club has one know the cost.
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Most train station in Japan have one. They are covered with pictorial instructions, to save reading time. All students of driving schools are trained to use one. It is actually quite simple (in a practice situation at least).
As a person who is fully trained in the use of AED and has had to use one, i would encourage as many if not every club/sporting organisation to invest in an Automated External Defibrillator.
There is a cost attached obviously but surely it is worth the investment considering the tragic events of the past week or so. Should something happen it gives the casualty a very high chance of survival.
Basic life support is not enough if somebody is to use it. There is a cost involved to get personnel fully qualified to use a Defib and there is a cost involved in renewing your qualification every 90 days approx.
2000 euro is what i was told the cost of one was.
If you're in the penalty area and don't know what to do with the ball, put it in the net and we'll discuss the options later
FORM IS TEMPORARY, CLASS IS PERMANENT
There was a Shamrock Rovers fan on here recently (can't remember which thread, but it was something to do with the GAA) saying that most (all?) LSL clubs have one; his point was that this was an LSL or FAI initiative done quietly some time ago while the GAA were blowing their trumpet about getting some.
Don't know about that but I do know that the FAI have initiated a programme to encourage clubs to get their schoolboy members between the ages of 14-16 to be checked out by their GP.
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http://www.defibrillators-uk.co.uk/h...rt_m5068a.html
We got ours here £945 +vat.
http://www.defibrillators-uk.co.uk/busbro.pdf
http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/mhcwqlcwaumh/
Mr Smith said all local sports clubs should have access to and be trained in the use of defibrillators, but he made no mention of whether the Government would fund such a scheme
Last edited by Ringo; 10/09/2007 at 12:48 PM.
I was just looking up the success rates of these devices.
(source)In casinos — where AED-armed security agents monitor people with video surveillance — victims shocked within three minutes had a 74% survival rate. Airline passengers who suffer sudden cardiac arrest and are shocked by flight attendants have a 40% survival rate.
I seems reasonable to require them in grounds. Certainly a bit more important than insisting there be enough hot water for the ref to have a hot shower, or that accounts be in the appropriate colour pen.
Defib I'm trained with just tells you what to do. "Place pads on casualty's bare chest. Plug in pads connector next to flashing yellow light", followed by "Shock advised" if a shock is advised. You don't even need training in it (which is the whole point).
It seems easy enough, but in reall life the situation is totally different.
Patients face turns different colour,lips,eyes and nose can turn blue, they usually get sick also they sweat like mad..
Ive been trained but can't say that i would cope if i was called upon
If you're in the penalty area and don't know what to do with the ball, put it in the net and we'll discuss the options later
FORM IS TEMPORARY, CLASS IS PERMANENT
also there may be some legal ramifications for a defibrillator being used incorrectly/unessecarily.
It checks the body & won't let you shock on less the person needs one. It also talks you through mouth to mouth & beats a rhythm for cpr.
http://www.heartstarthome.com/animat...ated_demo.asp#
There are next to no legal ramifications for a lay person using a defib incorrectly. Good Samaritan principle. Basically, if you go to save someone's life, shock him, but maybe took too long and he came back with brain damage, you've still saved his life and he'd want to be one ungrateful little sh!t to sue you for anything.
Worst case scenario if you do nothing is the person dies, so you can't really do any harm.
As Ringo said, the machine makes the call as to whether to shock the person, not you. It won't shock someone who doesn't need it.
It really is. Nearly had to shock someone once (someone else got there first), but I was rather nervous still! Also, people really flollop when they're shocked - a big jump with all limp limbs.
Anyway, bottom line is there's no reason for any eL ground to be without a defib. However, you can argue that the one in the ambulance you're paying for should be sufficient.
We need to think seriously about this. If managers realise that they can get their hands on a defibrillator at half time there could be carnage in dressing rooms at the break.
Can only speak from personal experience here, I am delighted my wife survived a brain haemorrhage and the brain damage subsequent to surgery, and I know she is too, despite the disabilities.
She was fully informed of the possible consequences of the surgery and those of not going under the knife, i.e. death.
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There are some ungrateful sh!ts around who would do just that.
Is the Good Samaritan principle a legal concept? It sounds pretty easy to defeat legally.
I know when I worked in Xtra Vision we were warned not to administer any kind of first aid to anybody. We were told that even giving someone with a small cut a plaster could have legal ramifications if the cut became infected etc.
We were advised that if anyone asked for medical treatment, or needed it, to call an ambulance and wait for it.
I'd imagine if a company is that worried about giving someone a plaster there would have to be some serious issues around using a defib.
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Good Samaritan Bill 2005 being discussed in the Dáil.
Didn't read through it, but I was told when I was being trained in the AED that the principle applied in Ireland.
It's happened once in England - a man fell from a bike in one of those motorcycle scramble things, and was dragged out of the way by the St John crew. He was paralysed because of it, and sued St John in England, but the judge ruled that if he'd been left, there was a bike about to land on him and do a lot worse than paralyse him. Got thrown out of court, essentially, for being an ungrateful ****. English law usually acts as the starting point here, although it hasn't been tested as far as I know.
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