What club would you buy?

**kdjaC** · 05/09/2007, 9:56 PM

Originally Posted by KoemansCC

Anyone who pumps money into a club from the top down is only looking for the applause that comes with it in the short term, and as history has proven so far, some clubs would have been better without

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ironic how in our league.......actually any top league .....thats how clubs become successful.

I actually fail to see your point in anyway, EL clubs will not survive without massive investment, there is no payday for anyone involved with EL clubs (maybe drogs if they get drogland) but other than that owning a EL club will not make you richer, it will not make you money or adoration from barstoolers.

I fail to see where the "applause" comes from and whats clubs would be better off without it? Shels ...yeah lets ask shels fans how they coped over the last 8 years playing good ball and winning ****.....

kdjac

**Student Mullet** · 05/09/2007, 10:00 PM

Originally Posted by kdjaC

Funny how spending more than its worth makes sense.........

/awaits UCD fans to show spending 20 million on a piece of land worth 10 million is good sense from an accountancy POV.

kdjac

That was a bloody expensive temporary stand yee had.

**kdjaC** · 05/09/2007, 10:05 PM

Originally Posted by Student Mullet

That was a bloody expensive temporary stand yee had.

Exactly why spend money where its not needed, good job those degrees are serving you well.

Fill the ground and we will build more the type of owner statement any fan can relate too.

kdjac

**Student Mullet** · 05/09/2007, 10:06 PM

Originally Posted by kdjaC

Exactly why spend money where its not needed, good job those degrees are serving you well.

Fill the ground and we will build more the type of owner statement any fan can relate too.

kdjac

So where did he spend the 20 million?

Also, most Cork fans have trouble with the statement 'Fill the ground and we will build more'.

**SligoBrewer** · 05/09/2007, 10:10 PM

Originally Posted by superfrank

What a sad post SB.

im sorry superfrank.. had to be bitter at least once in 30 days..

anyways..on a serious note, i'd take kildare county and make it a success

**sligoman** · 05/09/2007, 10:12 PM

Longford Town and then make Ian Wexler player/manager. I'd change the signs around so that Section O became Section R...just to confuse the Section O fellas

**KoemansCC** · 05/09/2007, 10:13 PM

Originally Posted by kdjaC

.....thats how clubs become successful.
kdjac

Thats how some clubs gauge success...become huge overnight and disappear again with the investors having their day in the sun and moving on to their next toy, but there have been numerous 'big' clubs that have never taken on investors that have always had some success...the investors win in the short term , the fans lose in the long term...the English model being the example in the last 5-10 years...

My main argument is that investment has to come from the bottom up, although that may never happen in an ideal world...

**dcfcsteve** · 05/09/2007, 10:40 PM

Originally Posted by Saint MacDara

Buy Linfield and get UEFA clearance to move them (not physically,they can stay in Windsor Park) into the L.O.I to finally solve the question of which is the better league

This mis-issue always comes up.

You don't need UEFA permission to play in a different league. If the LOI voted to accept Linfield as a member they'd be legally entitled to play in the EL under EU Competition and Restraint of Trade policies. The IFA could do nought to stop them...

**dcfcsteve** · 05/09/2007, 10:44 PM

Originally Posted by superfrank

I'd personally invest in one of the smaller clubs, perhaps Monaghan or Kilkenny. That way I could make my own history with them.

Interesting angle SF. Much easier to leave a legacy at one of those clubs than someone a lot bigger.

But a bit like Gretna - there's a reason why small clubs from small towns stay small. As soon as the sugar daddy goes - which they all eventually do - such smaller clubs slide back to their natural place again in the food chain. There is a clear correlation between population and club success in football leagues throughout Europe.

**dcfcsteve** · 05/09/2007, 10:48 PM

If you were investing in a club to take them places and maximise your return, then it would be pointless looking outside Dublin - purely on the basis of population.

If you wanted to hedge your bets and maximise your short-to-medium term income, you'd have to looik at Cork or Derry. It'd be very difficult to attract consistent support in Dublin without really making a regular impact in Europe. Cork and Derry get good crowds with less effort, so would be safer. But they don't offer the potential you have in Dublin.

A Dublin club = maximum risk, but maximum potential return
Cork/Derry = lower risk, but lower potential return.

**BohsPartisan** · 05/09/2007, 10:54 PM

Originally Posted by kdjaC

Garret Kelliher offered the same package to Bohs before turning to Pats, as i said the fans are the problem/solution there.

Shockingly if your fans/board had of said yes you would still be playing Dalymount not be local rivals with drogs.

kdjac

Surely not! That lifelong Pats fan?
Anyway thats what I'd do. If I ever had serious money, which is fantasy anyway. But lets face it whats the point in having money if you can't use it on something you love. So yeah, I'd blow it on making movies, getting Bohs into the champions' league and furthering the cause of Socialism.
If you go down the further fantasy route of Bohs refusing free money with no strings attached from one of their own well I'd not spend it on a football club. Perhaps if Bohs did not exist - I'd spend it on my home town LSL side Parkvilla and turn them into an EL side.

**bad mongo** · 05/09/2007, 10:55 PM

Originally Posted by kdjaC

Garret Kelliher offered the same package to Bohs before turning to Pats, as i said the fans are the problem/solution there.

Shockingly if your fans/board had of said yes you would still be playing Dalymount not be local rivals with drogs.

kdjac

er, you seem to have some difficulty grasping the basics of a members owned club. The fact that BFC cannot be bought is both its strength and weakness I agree. I notice the ever so altruistic mr. Kelleher didn't offer to stand for President of the club, following the established channels and try influence the constitution of the club via his zillions -as is the norm in Iberian football.
jaysus does the fact that those seats were ripped out of Richer like a hot snot not give even the most cynical of Pats fans the hee bee gee bees?
Richer is unviable as it stands as even a 5k comfortable all seater stadia no matter what way you slice it. You need Mr Kellehers warehouses next door knocked to build a realigned stadium of any merit or you will be shunted out via the softest of soft shoe shuffles by your (admittedly semi-malign) benefactor.
To answer your question if I won the lotto I would follow Stan's model and purchase either Glentoran or Derry if I was so inclined for the reasons outlined previously

**Rusty** · 06/09/2007, 9:24 AM

Originally Posted by kdjaC

Funny how spending more than its worth makes sense.........

/awaits UCD fans to show spending 20 million on a piece of land worth 10 million is good sense from an accountancy POV.

kdjac

UCD Fans or UCD Fan

**pateen** · 06/09/2007, 9:43 AM

Originally Posted by micls

They're not Russian gangsters, and the stadium they want will be 28,000-30,000(currently looking for a site, but they could very well be full of crap.

We'll just have to wait and see. If Tynan is telling the truth we're laughing

Are your sure Micls?
I thought Tynan said at the meeting that he planned a 20000 stadium. Anything bigger would be to difficult to manage.

Teams I'd go for if I was neutral would be Cork, Derry, Bohs Or Rovers. They all have the sleeping fan base as well as there regular fan base.

I think Longford and UCD are two teams that have never had and still dont have a good fan base

**Dodge** · 06/09/2007, 9:50 AM

LOL @ Bohs sleeping fanbase. Ask anybody who watched LOI footy in the 60s & 70s and he�ll tell you Bohs were always the poorest supported side in Dublin. It was only Dalymount and countless re-elections to the league that got them any notice.

If any Irish club is to grow into any (relative) european force, it will be a Dublin side. We're the nly city big enough to sustain any decent sized bandwagon.

**Da Real Rover** · 06/09/2007, 9:58 AM

Originally Posted by kdjaC

You will need a 20k all seater and room for decent facilities.

Drogs already bought.
Rovers when they go to tallaght city, good prospect, fans could be a problem
Pats already bought.
Bohs Fans would be the problem also.
Cork Republic another good prospect.
Sligo why?
Derry another good prospect, decent city.
UCD no point
Galway another good prospect
Bray dunno not really a good prospect, ground options.
Waterford another possible.
Longford also could be decent prospect.

I would go with Rovers or Cork possibilities of creating something huge are endless there.

kdjac

Really showing off your knowledge there, as provincial clubs go we have one of the largest dormant support bases. All you need to see this is a good cup run or some success. ie when we got promoted against Athlone, sell out crowd.

With obvious bias I would invest in Rovers, but if I wasnt a Rovers fan I would buy either Dundalk or Athlone. Massive dormant support bases with real history and heritage.

**Dodge** · 06/09/2007, 10:01 AM

Originally Posted by Da Real Rover

With obvious bias I would invest in Rovers, but if I wasnt a Rovers fan I would buy either Dundalk or Athlone. Massive dormant support bases with real history and heritage.

Massive? If kdjac's talking about regularly getting into Cl group stages. You'd need crowds of 20K/30K. Or twice what a town like Sligo has in total

**endabob1** · 06/09/2007, 10:31 AM

Personal Bias would be Athlone Town, as said elsewhere a 1st division club would be less risk and building them up would be part of the fun, besides Athlone has a long proud football tradition in the town and with the College would be able to sustain decent gates. I'd even give the stadium a proper name!
From an investment point of view it has to be one of the Dublin clubs, Rovers potentially would be the team, huge catchment area once the Tallagh stadium move comes off.
Outside of Dublin, Cork & Galway would be good investments as clubs with a good infrastructure already in place.

**SunderlandBohs** · 06/09/2007, 10:35 AM

I'd buy Glebe North AFC. Turn the Maket Green into a 10,000 all seater & build a state-otf the-art training complex on Bremore. First we'll get elected to the league, get promoted to the premier & within 5 years get some silverware in the cabinet & bring big European matches to Balbriggan. Glebe North v AC Milan live from the Market Green Stadium has a nice ring to it!

**Da Real Rover** · 06/09/2007, 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by Dodge

Massive? If kdjac's talking about regularly getting into Cl group stages. You'd need crowds of 20K/30K. Or twice what a town like Sligo has in total

Sligo isnt big but its not half of 20k/30k, its actually about 25k. Anyway thats irrelevant Villareal in spain have all shown us that a small town can sustain a La Liga club and get into europe, so its not impossible. Plus Rovers have a large catchment area, not just the town, but also the county, north mayo, roscommon and leitrim. Sure the last time we got into europe we had a crowd of about 12000, not bad.