Another British isles discussion

**Fingal hoop** · 03/09/2007, 11:21 PM

where is this british isles place you speak of?

**rebelarmyexile** · 03/09/2007, 11:40 PM

Originally Posted by Fingal hoop

where is this british isles place you speak of?

more republican crap from a hoop. Ireland is in the British Isles. It is a geographical area named after the main island in that particular area.

**Lionel Ritchie** · 04/09/2007, 8:28 AM

Originally Posted by rebelarmyexile

more republican crap from a hoop. Ireland is in the British Isles. It is a geographical area named after the main island in that particular area.

Main Island?

Cmon it's a bit bigger but still ...main island?

Anyway can't we all just agree on north east atlantic archepelago? Though we might have to let Iceland and the Faroes in...

**gael353** · 04/09/2007, 8:43 AM

The British Isles is an old and outdated term used a long long time ago. Its now called the British and Irish Islands. Its like the British Lions rugby team is now called the British and Irish Lions. The other one that annoys me is the word Eire...this word is a British word for our country, eire doesnt actually exist and nothing smells of **** more then some guy going around with a retro t shirt with eire on the back with number 6 for mr sunderland!

On the footbal side of things i dont agree with it, lets play these clubs in european comps not in some new money making venture for setanta as they have lost faith in the org idea which is the existing setanta cup. And as for interest, id say after a season or two it would have as bout as much support as the first division, the nicky rackard cup in gaa or whatever they come up with next.

**Fester** · 04/09/2007, 9:45 AM

[QUOTE=gael353;762861]The British Isles is an old and outdated term used a long long time ago. Its now called the British and Irish Islands. Its like the British Lions rugby team is now called the British and Irish Lions. The other one that annoys me is the word Eire...this word is a British word for our country, eire doesnt actually exist and nothing smells of **** more then some guy going around with a retro t shirt with eire on the back with number 6 for mr sunderland!

Well said man !!

**Fivesilver** · 04/09/2007, 10:01 AM

Originally Posted by gael353;

The other one that annoys me is the word Eire...this word is a British word for our country, eire doesnt actually exist

Does nobody read the Constitution any more (you know that thing that begins with "We the people of �ire . . . ")?

**Dodge** · 04/09/2007, 10:24 AM

Split from Setanta cup thread here. The first post in this thread was a reply to the original post

I gave it the new title

**Calcio Jack** · 04/09/2007, 11:26 AM

The other one that annoys me is the word Eire...this word is a British word for our country, eire doesnt actually exist and nothing smells of **** more then some guy going around with a retro t shirt with eire on the back with number 6 for mr sunderland!

Re the use of the word Eire.... if you check the wording of the Constitution you'll see that the fourth line of it reads.... "...we the people of Eire.."

**noby** · 04/09/2007, 12:01 PM

True, but the Republic of Ireland Act, 1948, and subsequent Ireland Act, 1949 (in th UK) made 'Republic of Ireland' the designated name.

**noby** · 04/09/2007, 12:03 PM

Anyway, someone made a cockup in the Sunday Times, when writing about the matches on Saturday, saying three English teams will be playing at the same time.

**Dodge** · 04/09/2007, 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by noby

True, but the Republic of Ireland Act, 1948, and subsequent Ireland Act, 1949 (in th UK) made 'Republic of Ireland' the designated name.

No, it didn't. official name of the country is Ireland

**noby** · 04/09/2007, 12:18 PM

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1948/...l#zza22y1948s2

**Lionel Ritchie** · 04/09/2007, 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by gael353

The British Isles is an old and outdated term used a long long time ago. Its now called the British and Irish Islands. Its like the British Lions rugby team is now called the British and Irish Lions. The other one that annoys me is the word Eire...this word is a British word for our country, eire doesnt actually exist....

As pointed out by a few -you're factually wrong.

The name of the state is 'Eire' or in the English language 'Ireland'. Conversely the name of the state is 'Ireland' or in the Irish language 'Eire'.

The 'Republic of Ireland' is an alternate acceptable name for the state. I say 'acceptable' in that the only real acid test for such things is to attempt to obtain an official diplomatic response from the Aras. Mary Mc will respond to correspondence addressed to the President of Ireland, the President of the Republic of Ireland, the President of Eire or An Uachtar�n na hEireann (sp. last one might be iffy...)

The one that's commonly used and is unacceptable/doesn't exist/won't get you a response is 'Irish Republic'. No such place.

**Dodge** · 04/09/2007, 1:00 PM

Originally Posted by noby

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1948/...l#zza22y1948s2

description of the state is different from the official name of the state

We're actually one of the few who don't have a title in our official state name.

"The name of the State is �ire, or, in the English language, Ireland"
Article 4 in the Constitution.

**OneRedArmy** · 04/09/2007, 1:10 PM

Originally Posted by rebelarmyexile

more republican crap from a hoop. Ireland is in the British Isles. It is a geographical area named after the main island in that particular area.

Possibly the most inaccurately named handle/username ever.

Its a historic hangover that has had no relevance post-independence. It referred to islands under both the political and sovereign rule of Great Britain, which the Republic of Ireland no longer is. Ergo whilst people understand what it referred to previously, it clearly is incorrect in todays geo-political arrangement.

The fact its still in usage reflects only the misguided views of the pro-British element in Ireland (ie you) and the minority of Britishers who still wish they had an empire.

**Dodge** · 04/09/2007, 1:14 PM

Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

The fact its still in usage reflects only the misguided views of the pro-British element in Ireland

No, it reflects the fact that Irish people look to Britain for a lot of its news and current affairs coverage

IONA sounds terrible though

**John83** · 04/09/2007, 1:23 PM

Originally Posted by noby

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1948/...l#zza22y1948s2

The legislation is always subject to the constitution. Don't like it? See if enough people care to call a referendum.

As for the term British Isles, it's as good as any, and angrily rejected by those insecure in their nationality. The word British comes from the name of the Celtic peoples who are our ancestors.

Well, except for those of us who invaded in 1179 (sorry about that), with the Vikings or the Danes (I think my conscience is clear here), in a plantation (maybe) or from Poland (not me).