Keane's latest rant - direct at any Irish players?

**Paddy Garcia** · 21/08/2007, 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by NeilMcD

Roy Keane should build a relationship with Don Givens too. Should we all bow down to Roy Keane now.

I don't think we should all bow down to Keane. However from a self-interest perspective Givens needs Keane on side more than the other way around. Unless he wants to be engaged in endless tensions for as long as either of them are in post.

**TonyD** · 21/08/2007, 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by NeilMcD

Roy Keane should build a relationship with Don Givens too. Should we all bow down to Roy Keane now.

Difference is, Keane doesn't need Givens (or any Irish manager) whereas on the other hand.......

**Jerry The Saint** · 21/08/2007, 6:36 PM

Originally Posted by shakermaker1982

until you know all the facts I'd have thought Givens was better off keeping quiet about the matter....

As per usual, Givens' tactic is to go to the media with one side of the story before checking out the facts. Anyone else get the feeling that he records every phone conversation

**bennocelt** · 21/08/2007, 7:44 PM

Originally Posted by pete

Roy Keane clearly is not as good a manager as some people think when he thought Yorke, a 35 year forward could play central midfield in the Premeir League.

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god man did you miss Trinidads games in the world cup

**jebus** · 21/08/2007, 8:02 PM

Originally Posted by John83

That seems a bit premature. Keane's done well so far; to suggest he's crap because he's leaned on a few players he knows is a bit rich.

Not really, it might be a tad over the top, but when you are throwing to ebb the flow of the Roy Keane Movement you tend to be. When you look at his purchases so far they haven't exactly set the world alight have they, it almost seems like he is building his Championship squad for next season already.

I also say he is more like Bruce, in that the Championship might just be his level as a manager, not the Premiership where tactical inexperience gets found out, and giving players a bollocking in the press rarely produces the same results as it does in the Premiership. Hughes knows this, has bought well, and has proven himself to be a great man manager. Again, my writing off of Keane might be a bit over the top at this stage, but when I hear ridiculous statements like he will take Sunderland into the top 4 this season than I feel I kinda have to be

**bennocelt** · 21/08/2007, 11:58 PM

Originally Posted by jebus

I also say he is more like Bruce, in that the Championship might just be his level as a manager, not the Premiership where tactical inexperience gets found out, and giving players a bollocking in the press rarely produces the same results as it does in the Premiership. Hughes knows this, has bought well, and has proven himself to be a great man manager. Again, my writing off of Keane might be a bit over the top at this stage, but when I hear ridiculous statements like he will take Sunderland into the top 4 this season than I feel I kinda have to be

I think keane is doing a good job, he has got an average team into the Premiership, and Im certain he will keep them there
But we will see

the thing that gets me is that many people were tipping Spurs as a top 4 team, which i found really bizarre considering they have no defence or decent midfield, or a manager who has a clue!

**Billsthoughts** · 22/08/2007, 8:52 AM

Originally Posted by jebus

it almost seems like he is building his Championship squad for next season already.

best put down ever......altho i disagree with you...

**Fingal hoop** · 22/08/2007, 9:02 AM

Originally Posted by bellavistaman

McShane could be a absolute hero over there if he carries on th eway he started, never seen him give nothing but 100%. Fair play to him, thimk keanes comments wouldbe at the hole squad, nationality wouldnt come into it. I always get the feeling off Stokes, that he wouldnt Keanes sort of player, but the impression i get off keane hes very fond of him.

he is a donkey - against birmingham he scored an og & was woeful for the second goal
the racing post picked him out as the dud of the coming season

**Fingal hoop** · 22/08/2007, 9:05 AM

Originally Posted by ofjames

Reason all these eejits are pressing the panic button is that around 50% of the posters on this forum would like nothing better but for keane to fail. in fact id say many go to bed praying for it.

But Roy'll be alrite. Ive no doubt about that. These foretellers of doom are the same guys that were laying in around christmas last year when sunderland lost three games on the bounce and were down mid-table. I take comfort in the fact that come may, after sunderland have stayed up with comfort...these guys will still be clinging on to the pathetic hope that some day roy might fail. not going to happen

you need to mature as a person - the walkers leprechaun suits himself & i dont know why Irish people like you have any time for him

**tetsujin1979** · 22/08/2007, 9:09 AM

Originally Posted by Fingal hoop

he is a donkey - against birmingham he scored an og & was woeful for the second goal
the racing post picked him out as the dud of the coming season

and football365 picked him out as having one of the best debuts of the opening day fixtures in the Premiership

**shanman2** · 22/08/2007, 9:36 AM

Originally Posted by Fingal hoop

he is a donkey - against birmingham he scored an og & was woeful for the second goal
the racing post picked him out as the dud of the coming season

Seen some crap talk on this site but that takes the biscuit. Mc Shane player of the year for two succesive years at west brom, capped at international level and looks every bit as promising as dunne did at his age, you obviously have not been to watch ireland recently otherwise you would have noticed his superb individual performances.... Think before you talk....

**bellavistaman** · 22/08/2007, 9:40 AM

Originally Posted by Fingal hoop

he is a donkey - against birmingham he scored an og & was woeful for the second goal
the racing post picked him out as the dud of the coming season

I used always listen to the racing post too, thats why i spent 2 days living on the streets.

Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

and football365 picked him out as having one of the best debuts of the opening day fixtures in the Premiership

It was definitly. He's a great player,dunno how anybody could call him a donkey(obviously not aimed at you tetsujin), Chris Kamara and Phil Thompson said Sunderland fell apart when he came off last weekend, since were quoting sources here.

**bellavistaman** · 22/08/2007, 9:40 AM

Originally Posted by shanman2

Seen some crap talk on this site but that takes the biscuit. Mc Shane player of the year for two succesive years at west brom, capped at international level and looks every bit as promising as dunne did at his age, you obviously have not been to watch ireland recently otherwise you would have noticed his superb individual performances.... Think before you talk....

Agree you beat me to it.

**shanman2** · 22/08/2007, 9:48 AM

Originally Posted by Fingal hoop

you need to mature as a person - the walkers leprechaun suits himself & i dont know why Irish people like you have any time for him

Take it your not Irish them because i think most people in Ireland what to see Sunderland succeed, not only because of Roy Keane, but because of the strong Irish contingent and the board who are made up of mostly Irish people. Not to mention a Niall Quinn who is also a Irish legend. This is an irish website and if you want to put down irish sports people go post on the english equivalent

**shakermaker1982** · 22/08/2007, 10:03 AM

well if the racing post say so McShane must be a dud.....

**cavan_fan** · 22/08/2007, 10:19 AM

Originally Posted by Fingal hoop

he is a donkey - against birmingham he scored an og & was woeful for the second goal
the racing post picked him out as the dud of the coming season

He reminds me of Tony Adams, a player who had a reputation as a donkey but who was in fact a solid comitted defender. By the end of his career other people realised that.

**SunderlandBohs** · 22/08/2007, 10:52 AM

Originally Posted by shakermaker1982

well if the racing post say so McShane must be a dud.....

I wouldn't go putting the Racing Post down. It's a quailty paper & with educated readers. Just like those at the Daily Sport!

**bellavistaman** · 22/08/2007, 10:54 AM

Originally Posted by cavan_fan

He reminds me of Tony Adams, a player who had a reputation as a donkey but who was in fact a solid comitted defender. By the end of his career other people realised that.

Thats a very good point!

**cheifo** · 22/08/2007, 4:32 PM

McShane is no dud but imo he is an exception in the Sunderland camp in that he is up to the standard required.I fear he and their keeper Gordon could be in for a busy time.I hope Quinn and Keane do well but I honestly dont feel they have bought good enough players.I hope I am proved wrong.

**bennocelt** · 22/08/2007, 11:54 PM

Originally Posted by Fingal hoop

he is a donkey - against birmingham he scored an og & was woeful for the second goal
the racing post picked him out as the dud of the coming season

funny, you only have to look at Mcshane once or twice to know he is a class act
and the Racing Post are consistently bad when it comes to football tipping

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