NI boss targets Republic's Gibson

[geysir]

I have to admit I have not a clue what Lopez is on about.
Maybe Ealing Green has some idea, so they can have a conversation of sorts.

Now there is a spill over of the kingdom kerry cráp from OWC onto this forum. This thread is getting like a Palestinian refugee camp in Lebanon.

Maybe Ealing Green isn't satisfied with the level of debate on OWC.
How come the OWC lot haven't a football forum that is worthy of spending any time to post a decent debate except a
'Healy is great, all agreed say aye'.
'Gibson is a beggar', all agreed say aye' for 98 pages
'A Night in November' is shíte, all agreed say aye' for 30 pages

I think they could do with a loan of youngirish for few days.

[lopez]

Re. your first paragraph, what is your obsession about an old, discontinued law on flags in NI? This is at least the third time you've brought it up (to my knowledge) and it's utterly irrelevant...

Oh dear! Off topic again?

I think the question you should ask first is what was your 'country's' obsession with one national flag, they have to make it illegal to fly it. Answer is basically the same as your obsession with trying to prevent Irish people playing for their country.

[EalingGreen]

It's a fair cop Senor. I'm actually at the stage where I'd love to have a beer and a chat with EG (because he seems like a man of reasoning and I admire that in my Nordies - Bill McC is a prime example - and EG is only just down the 207 bus route after all) but I'd love to **** on Worthington from his toes to his head and back again. It's irrational, I know, but I remember when I developed a hatred of sorts for Nigel - it was in one of the run-up game to the 1986 World Cup and he gloated the words to 'God Save Our Irredentist Inbred German Queen' to at least two of his RC teammates (MO'N and GA, and he was caught square on camera in the act). Can't stand the c*nt even now. His conduct over the supposed question of Darron Gibson's allegiance and eligibility only reinforces my opinion of the greasy sh*tsack. Typical hairy-knuckled loyalist - "you can pick any team you want so long as it sings GSTQ". Sorry Nige, but no fecking chance. Those days are long gone. GFY. And in my opinion good luck to Gibson and all that follow in expressing their freely-held allegiance when representing their (and my) country.

PP

I'd be more than happy to share a pint with you and Bill (I'm sure he owes me one, anyhow!) and have a natter about football and the rest. Maybe even take in a game sometime? I get along to Brentford now and again and have also been to Craven Cottage to watch "Ulster on Thames FC" a few times this season already. (I'd invite you to WHL, but I can barely get tickets for myself, these days)

Maybe I could convert you from your hatred of Nigel W, since I've never heard anything to suggest he is a "Typical hairy-knuckled loyalist". Indeed, I'd have said his track record disproves that completely.

For one thing, he was brought to Norwich by Bryan Hamilton in 1999 to be his Assistant. Hamilton, who does not have a sectarian bone in his body, will have known NW very well, so I can't see his having anything to do with a bigot. And when NW replaced Hamilton, he was appointed by Delia Smith, who always stuck by him, even after Norwich fans were calling for his head.
Now as it happens Delia, is known to be a particularly devout Catholic, going to church sometimes daily. So it's possible, but highly unlikely, that those two could strike up such a good relationship. And whilst at Norwich, two of his most prominent players were Paul McVeigh and Phil Mulryne, both from a Nationalist Belfast background. Yet far from shunning them, he kept them at Carrow Road for years, even discouraging them from turning out for NI, citing convenient "injuries", which miraculously always seemed to heal before City's next game (Delia's prayers, perhaps?).

And even since taking over the NI job, his two most notable actions have been to appoint a Rasharkin Catholic (Chris Baird) as his first captain, then approach two more (Catholic) "defectors" to the ROI, Gibson and Kane, to assure them that the door was not closed to them should they choose to come back to NI.

Sneaky and duplicitous, maybe, but I really can't see any of that going down too well in the Lodge, can you?

[EalingGreen]

I have to admit I have not a clue what Lopez is on about.
Maybe Ealing Green has some idea, so they can have a conversation of sorts.


I think they could do with a loan of youngirish for few days.

Oh dear God, whatever I've done forgive me; I'll do anything you want, if it means I avoid having to converse with Lopez...

Except, maybe, converse with Young Irish...

[EalingGreen]

Oh dear! Off topic again?

I think the question you should ask first is what was your 'country's' obsession with one national flag, they have to make it illegal to fly it. Answer is basically the same as your obsession with trying to prevent Irish people playing for their country.

It's over, Lopez, let it lie - you can fly any bloody flag you like in NI these days. Oliver Cromwell is dead, too...

[kingdomkerry]

Kingdom Kerry. No offence intended, but you were way our of your dept over there. Granted, you made a few valid points but you wrote some really stupid things as well.

Let these guys have their enjoyment, (it wont last very long) some of them are creaming it because their post count went over 100 and still going.

One thing’s for sure, they have a serious dislike for their neighbors down south(football wise anyway)

I was only trying to rise them. I had my fun. Going to concentrate on Slovakia now.

[tricky_colour]

Can't see FIFA tearing up the Good Friday Agrement somehow.
And trying to force a player to play for you tends to make the North look rather pathetic. They are just making fools of themselves.

[osarusan]

I was only trying to rise them. I had my fun. Going to concentrate on Slovakia now.

An admitted WUM, complaining about being banned!!!!

[Not Brazil]

Can't see FIFA tearing up the Good Friday Agrement somehow.
And trying to force a player to play for you tends to make the North look rather pathetic. They are just making fools of themselves.

It's got nothing to do with the GFA - it's about FIFA's eligibility rules.

How can you "force" a player to play for you? That's a silly comment.

Gibson is eligible to play for Northern Ireland - he was asked would he like to, and politely refused.

I know of no Northern Ireland fan who would want a shirt wasted by a player who was "forced" (under duress) to wear it.

Is somebody going to drag him to games kicking and yelling?

Gibson will never wear a Northern Ireland shirt - I accept his decision on that.

[geysir]

It's about time that someone from the OWC has accepted FIFA's eligibility rules for what they are.

[Not Brazil]

It's about time that someone from the OWC has accepted FIFA's eligibility rules for what they are.

geysir,

As I have said before, all I want is for FIFA to make a definative, public, statement on this.

We get clarification - we both move on accordingly, based on the ruling.

I think it's important that there is no "falling out" between the FAI & IFA too - maybe I'm being unrealistic, but I would like to see the pair of them work something out to their mutual satisfaction.

A "falling out" is not good - what impact will it have on the Setanta Cup (a competition which I thoroughly enjoy) for example?

Beyond that, I don't care....so long as Northern Ireland field only players who are committed to our cause.

[youngirish]

It's got nothing to do with the GFA - it's about FIFA's eligibility rules.

How can you "force" a player to play for you? That's a silly comment.

Gibson is eligible to play for Northern Ireland - he was asked would he like to, and politely refused.

I know of no Northern Ireland fan who would want a shirt wasted by a player who was "forced" (under duress) to wear it.

Is somebody going to drag him to games kicking and yelling?

Gibson will never wear a Northern Ireland shirt - I accept his decision on that.

So why are you and many of your countrymen determined to prevent the lad playing for a country that he does want to play for then? What gain do you achieve by preventing players that want to play for the ROI from playing for that team if you as you claim don't want them to play for NI anyway?

You and EG keep stating that you just want to ensure the rules are upheld. What a load of crap. FIFA were happy to leave things the way they were until the IFA intervened so that argument is pure rubbish.

As for me posting my thoughts over on ourweecountry.com. No chance. It's frustrating enough reading the dribble they write slating other people's posts unreasonably.

[Not Brazil]

So why are you and many of your countrymen determined to prevent the lad playing for a country that he does want to play for then?

Personally speaking, not so.

If he's eligible for the ROI, good luck to him - and anyone else who wants to follow a similar path.

[co. down green]

geysir,

As I have said before, all I want is for FIFA to make a definative, public, statement on this.

We get clarification - we both move on accordingly, based on the ruling.

I think it's important that there is no "falling out" between the FAI & IFA too - maybe I'm being unrealistic, but I would like to see the pair of them work something out to their mutual satisfaction.

A "falling out" is not good - what impact will it have on the Setanta Cup (a competition which I thoroughly enjoy) for example?

Beyond that, I don't care....so long as Northern Ireland field only players who are committed to our cause.

[QUOTE=Not Brazil;764952]geysir,


Not Brazil?

FIFA have already given their ruling on the matter.

I'm not sure what you mean by clarification, is 'the existing situation in Northern Ireland allows players to choose whether they wish to represent Northern Ireland or the Republic of Ireland' not clear enough for you or your association?

The IFA have been going on about FIFA looking into the issue yet the FAI have not received a single query from FIFA regarding the eligibility issue, as stated on radio on Tuesday. Surely if FIFA were re-examining the issue their would be some contact?

Then you had the bizarre situation of the IFA chief exec. stating that they did recieve the ruling by letter, later in the interview they did not receive it, then he claimed FIFA were in contact with the FAI regarding eligibility yet the issue has not been raised at all.

On the Tony Kane issue, i presume he would have to withdraw his formal letter requesting to play for Ireland before moving to the northern team?

Good luck to him anyway, it will be interesting to see if Given's assessment of the lad not being good enough for the Ireland u21 squad proves to be right.

[carloz]

As I have said before, all I want is for FIFA to make a definative, public, statement on this

But they have made their ruling, its quite clear. I get the feeling that the only reason Northern irish people are complaining about this is because FIFA have made their ruling and it was not the the advantage of the North. The ruling has been made, lets get on with it

[youngirish]

On the Tony Kane issue, i presume he would have to withdraw his formal letter requesting to play for Ireland before moving to the northern team?

Good luck to him anyway, it will be interesting to see if Given's assessment of the lad not being good enough for the Ireland u21 squad proves to be right.

I'd say it's another one of Givens bloopers tbh. I don't know how he could possibly think Kane wasn't good enough for an U21 squad.

[Not Brazil]

But they have made their ruling, its quite clear.

That's the whole point - it is far from clear.

FIFA need to make a clear, public, statement on the issue.

Then we move on.

[lopez]

That's the whole point - it is far from clear.

FIFA need to make a clear, public, statement on the issue.

Then we move on.

They've sent a letter. The FIFA circular displayed on this thread deals with naturalisation, which anyone from the O6C needs to go through to get an Irish passport. Why do they need to make a public statement?

It's over, Lopez, let it lie - you can fly any bloody flag you like in NI these days. Oliver Cromwell is dead, too...

Halleloooyah!

Now's the time for you to let it go about Gibson ever playing for NI - it's over, he's capped for his country, slán abhaile!

[Not Brazil]

They've sent a letter. The FIFA circular displayed on this thread deals with naturalisation, which anyone from the O6C needs to go through to get an Irish passport. Why do they need to make a public statement?

Because the various eligibilty rules are not clear....some seem to contradict others.

And - if Gspain says they're not clear...I believe him.

[lopez]

Because the various eligibilty rules are not clear....some seem to contradict others.

And - if Gspain says they're not clear...I believe him.

There is a division between naturalisation and citizenship at birth. I can't see a contradiction there.

And you believe GSpain - does he work for FIFA's legal department? Exactly! - because he says what you want to believe. You're hoping he'll say Santa Claus is alive?