Originally Posted by EalingGreen
"Annexations" [sic] are what eg the Nazis did to Austria, or the Sudetenland.
And indeed the GFA does not need to be mentioned by [sic] FIFA. Which is why it hasn't been.
And if it is the GFA which "allows occupants of the North Irish Passports" [sic], the GFA hardly selects international football teams. (Though it is actually the Government in Dublin which allocates Irish Passports to people from NI, something they were doing long before the GFA was ever even conceived)
And as for you final paragraph, the one thing I have no difficulty getting my head round is the fact that some "people born in their territory [sic] are choosing to play for the Republic". It is the rest of the drivel which I cannot understand...
P.S. You have been smoking, haven't you?
well i hope most people can understand it! stop being a tosser..in case you cant tell, i dont pay too much attention togrammer
Certainly not for sporting division, along sectarian lines, as is the implied desire by some over the Darron Gibson thing.
I hope for a pluralist Northern Ireland - a Northern Ireland at peace with itself, where everyone prospers.
Against a background of the, age old, constitutional question now being agreed, I believe that to be a realistic and desireable objective.
The Englishmen came over in the year 2005
But little did they know that we'd planned a wee surprise
Sir David scored the winner, and Windsor Park went wild
And this is what we sang...
We were sidetracked into discussing Celtic players playing for Northern Ireland.
The Englishmen came over in the year 2005
But little did they know that we'd planned a wee surprise
Sir David scored the winner, and Windsor Park went wild
And this is what we sang...
So what you're saying is that is that after apparently having been told by Givens that he's not good enough for the ROI U-21's at present, he may be considering reverting to play for NI.
If nothing else, that kinda tears the arse out of the notion that all NI Nationalists hold to the Darron Gibson "it's the Republic or nothing" stance.
Unless, of course, Kane's just keeping his hand in with NI whilst he persuades Givens to reconsider, in which case, he'd better be quick, seeing as it was his 20th Birthday yesterday.
Either way, it's lucky for Kane (and the rest of us) that there are really "two teams in Ireland..."
Sounds like Wells is making it up if only because imo it has all the hallmarks of populist bleating. The FAI have kept a low public profile as is right and proper and is more in keeping with Darren's intrests
It is remotely possible that someone in FIFA wanted to know for the umteenth time that Irish nationality does not entitle you to play for any UK or other team, that Darron is a dual national therefore the annex criteria doesn't apply.
Players will always look after their own interests first, nothing wrong or unusual in that idea..
If nothing else, that kinda tears the arse out of the notion that all NI Nationalists hold to the Darron Gibson "it's the Republic or nothing" stance.
Not sure what you are on about, players from differing backgrounds in the North have always made their own career choices, be it Linfield supporter Alan Kernaghan representing Ireland or former hurler Chris Baird playing for the North.
The important word is choice
If only some could accept this simple concept.
FIFA do.
best and most reasonable and sensible post ive read in this painful thread.
I like high energy football. A little bit rock and roll. Many finishes instead of waiting for the perfect one.
Fair enough, have to agree with you there. In fact more than 2 : ....
A team - Ireland
B team - Ireland Reserves
C team - The North
When did Alan Kernaghan play for "Ireland", and who are "The North" that Chris Baird plays for?
Alan Kernaghan played for the Republic Of Ireland.
Chris Baird plays for Northern Ireland.
The Englishmen came over in the year 2005
But little did they know that we'd planned a wee surprise
Sir David scored the winner, and Windsor Park went wild
And this is what we sang...
Here we go again.
NB people use the terms north or south often as shorthand. Just a turn of phrase.
Plus generally people call the football team in the "south" Ireland and will undoubtably continue to do so. Not out of badness but just because that's what people have called them for donkey's years.
Now call yourselves whatever you want but please don't start lecturing us on what we call ourselves.
And even if someone describes you as "the north" it's surely preferable to being called beggars?
Last edited by Maroon 7; 30/08/2007 at 7:27 PM.
You're in the Ireland forum now, leave your bags somewhere else.
So much drivel...so little time. What I was saying was that there was never a player who from the north was BOTH good enough AND wanted to play for Ireland (ROI to you) until Gibson. However, both Jennings and Best actively insisted they would have played for 'Ireland' (IFA/FAI joint team) as did Derek Dougan...can give quotes for the latter two if wanted.
B*llocks. There were O6C born players in the youth teams. Not Kerr's, McCarthy's or Staunton's fault they were not good enough.
No! That's two more when both your players were first capped, than who were born in the O6C playing for Ireland since the late 1940s. It probably explains why I got an O Level in my 4th year for maths and you got the Tufty Club Degree for reading about the same level.
It looks like we got a similar exemption regarding Bruce Junior (and Kernaghan and McAteer). Hows about trying to live with it?
Good luck!
They flew it within the lifeltime of Gibson, which is what I said if you bothered to read the post.
These too were sold within the lifetime of Gibson
How many years to be precise?
I apologise for that. It was a disgruntled Taig with a 20p coin.
I'd be surprised if they said it was what they wanted.
It wouldn't come as a surprise to the family of Neil Lennon.
Why bring it up, if no one is interested in the numbers? Don't remember asking for them myself.
Going a bit 'off topic here, EG?And as for your last paragraph, it started off very promisingly, then reverted to cobblers from the second sentence.
P.S. It has just occurred to me that Irish readers may not be familiar with the term "cobblers", since it is Cockney rhyming slang (cobblers awls = balls). My use of the term must come from my having lived in England all this time...
Whatdaf*ck has that got to do with Gibson?
Do you know when this practice stopped?
And there was me thiniking it had more to do with the club itself distancing itself from the sectarian employment pracitces it used up until the late eighties?
Unless you want to be banned, we use the code word Luton here for that Scottish club on this site.
Yeah the legal department are thinking, 'how many times have we got to tell these w*nkers'.
I always thought it was a political decision. Does that now mean than Kane is no longer a bigot?
This is the cooooooooooooolest footy forum I've ever seen!
Stupid post, nothing else to comment.
"No regrets, none at all. My only regret is that we went out on penalties. That's my only regret. But no, no regrets." -Mick McCarthy
Interesting that you pull others for going off topic while continuing to introduce cases of sporadic or historic Northern sectarianism. I guess Gibson wouldn't have been troubled by the anti-semitic events seeing as he's not Jewish
btw regarding your LFC point, does that not tell you that prospective RC Linfield pool of players had no issue with playing under the UK flag?
You're right, that's probably exactly the way FIFA think...
Since 1880
Ireland is the name of our state under our constitution and also under all the European treaties we have signed. What Uefa choose to call us is their business. Robbie Keane is the captain of the Irish team and he plays for Ireland , end of.
Was he crazy!! Yeah , in a very special way , an Irishman.
I slept, and dreamed that life was Beauty;
I woke, and found that life was Duty.
I have to say the guy is being very expediant about this and it's a poor show but i presume it's the same choice any dual nationality fella has , look at kanoute who declared for mali to play in the african nations cup.
I have to say one more thing , it's a pity that football and politics are so entangled in this eligibility thing but a nationalist ( or indeed anyone) from Northern Ireland must always be entitled to play for the Irish team or for the Republic if thats what you lads choose to call it. A United Ireland will most likely never come about and let's face it what with further european integration it could become almost irrelevant anyway but the aspiration to it is important to lots of people north and south and east and west of the border.
Was he crazy!! Yeah , in a very special way , an Irishman.
I slept, and dreamed that life was Beauty;
I woke, and found that life was Duty.
That probably goes to the heart of the political side of this issue. Political aspirations should not be confused with political realities.
What Uefa choose to call a representative side is binding I would have thought. Robbie Keane is the captain of an Irish team and he plays of the Republic of Ireland. It's my belief that the political aspirations of the 26 counties do not feature heavily in UEFA/FIFA thought process.
The only team called 'Ireland' to have existed was headquartered in Belfast up until the 1950s I think. That changed when either FIFA/UEFA told them to do so. I think something similar may have happened to the Republic.
Last edited by fhtb; 31/08/2007 at 7:40 AM.
Since 1880
If DG is a dual national then the annex does apply. If he is an Irish national only then the annex does not apply.
Dermot Ahern intervened with FIFA to ensure an Irish passport is allowed for those who wish to play for NI but did not want to obtain a British passport. Dundalk's 2nd most famous supporter (after Maxi) may have caused us some problems here.
Actually, unless a player can demonstrate that he is eligible to represent more than one Association, it is most decidedly NOT a matter of choice which country you represent at international level. Otherwise, a whole lot of international players would have chosen different countries from that which they did actually represent, for a whole host of reasons.
Now it may turn out that DG is eligible to represent the ROI as well as NI, in which case his choice is obvious. But if FIFA determine that he may not represent ROI, then his "choice" will be NI - take it or leave it.
In which case he will be the "reverse" of Alan Kernaghan, who had no choice in which team he represented - he always wanted to play for NI, but didn't comply with the IFA's requirements at the time. However, for all that he was a Linfield supporter, from a Unionist background etc, Kernaghan was not so dogmatic as to say "It's NI or nothing" and was happy to play for ROI.
Which means he is either a "turncoat", or someone who didn't allow himself to be confined by narrow political prejudices. Personally I'm sure it was the latter, for which I admire him.
Irish citizenship in itself does not qualify for other countries. So the UK passport scenario does not apply. Darron does not qualify for NI because of his Irish citizenship, he qualifies for NI because of his place of birth. The fact that NI has dual nationals inside the federations territory does not mean that an Irish citizen can play for NI.
Annex
"ELIGIBILITY TO PLAY FOR ASSOCIATION TEAMS FOR PLAYERS WHOSE
NATIONALITY ENTITLES THEM TO REPRESENT MORE THAN ONE ASSOCIATION"
Therefore the article 15.3 applies, Darron is a dual national.
"If a Player has more than one nationality, or if a Player acquires a new nationality, or if the Player is eligible to play for several Association teams due to his nationality, the following exceptions apply:
It's simple really
The understanding comes better after examining how the statutes are applied by FIFA.
Last edited by geysir; 31/08/2007 at 9:30 AM.
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