NI boss targets Republic's Gibson

**youngirish** · 30/08/2007, 4:18 PM

Originally Posted by EalingGreen

Not so. One member suggested banning him, everyone else who responded said he should be retained - for comedy value, if nothing else!

Btw, was it you asked for me to be banned a wee while back? Might have been Eireboy (or somebody else). Sorry to be so vague, but "youssuns is all the same" to me and I can't be arsed to look it up...

I hold my hand up EG it was me for which I must apologise but in fairness it was after listening to years and years of your ramblings to which I had been understandably driven to the edge of my sanity and not after 6 posts as per above.

**EalingGreen** · 30/08/2007, 4:32 PM

Originally Posted by livehead1

thats good but far fewer people watch u21..maybe 200? and he wouldnt be known to anyone as a celtic player...wait till he starts scoring goals against rangers!

Any fan who is keen enough to attend an NI U-21 game will undoubtedly be interested enough to know a bit about the players. In this case, Celtic's Michael McGovern is reasonably well known amongst our fans, not least for having captained the team recently, in the absence of the regular captain (fellow Fermanaghman, Kieran McKenna* of Tottenham). And I think he might even have made the Celtic bench once or twice recently, following a spate of injuries.

Mind you, Michel's not likely to score too many against Rangers, seeing as he's a goalkeeper...

* - On the general subject of eligibility, it was interesting to note that Kieran McKenna was 21 recently, which means he could not switch to the ROI, even if he wanted to. I only mention this, since he is an example of a young NI player who was begge... er, approached by the FAI in Kerr's time, thereby giving the lie to the notion that it is the players who always make the first approach, or that all young players from a Nationalist background would prefer to play for the ROI, given the choice...

**EalingGreen** · 30/08/2007, 4:38 PM

Originally Posted by livehead1

I've seen Kane play, he is shi*e, well and truly, he's worse than that Joe O'ceerereraaoul

I saw O'Ceeeeeeerereaoul play last season on loan for Brighton and if his performance that day is anything to go by, Kane simply could not be worse than him. In fact, I doubt if Kane's mammy could have done much worse...

Anyhow, assuming Kane does accept the invitation to the squad, I for one hope he gets a warm welcome from everyone involved

**EalingGreen** · 30/08/2007, 4:44 PM

Originally Posted by geysir

That's the article, thanks.I remembered it for the low standard public posturing by Wells not to mention the journo, swept away on a tide of Wells hot air,writing that Darron could be available to be called up to the NI squad at the end of August.

Irrespective of the posturing/hot air/DG's availability in August etc, do you accept Wells's contention that the FAI has still to get back to FIFA on this issue, or do you consider he is making it up (the only other possibility)?

**Not Brazil** · 30/08/2007, 4:45 PM

Originally Posted by livehead1

thats good but far fewer people watch u21..maybe 200? and he wouldnt be known to anyone as a celtic player...wait till he starts scoring goals against rangers!

Closer to 1,500 actually - and mainly the type of fan who would know exactly who each player plays his club football for.

And if he starts scoring goals against Rangers, frankly, I'd be amazed - he's, err, a goalkeeper.

**Not Brazil** · 30/08/2007, 4:47 PM

Originally Posted by youngirish

Ha ha. The cry of the authoritarian throughout the ages. Why gag him? He's hardly covered himself with much credibility has he? Who's going to take much notice of him and his insane ramblings?

Maybe something for the TWO posters who called for him to be banned to ponder?

**Not Brazil** · 30/08/2007, 4:48 PM

Originally Posted by livehead1

I've seen Kane play, he is shi*e, well and truly, he's worse than that Joe O'ceerereraaoul

Brilliant.

**EalingGreen** · 30/08/2007, 4:48 PM

Originally Posted by co. down green

As for FIFA and Gibson, are you saying that FIFA can never misinterpret or misapply their own Rules and Regulations, or make an incorrect interpretation or application on the basis of incorrect or inadequate information?

eg

FIFA endorsed Alex Bruce's right to represent Ireland in Jan 06, the IFA queried the decision and were told 'the existing situation in Northern Ireland allows players to choose whether they wish to represent Northern Ireland or the Republic of Ireland'.". The IFA then queried the rights of Gibson, Kane etc.. and were told in an official response in October of that year 'the existing situation in Northern Ireland allows players to choose whether they wish to represent Northern Ireland or the Republic of Ireland'."

FIFA did not misinterpret or misapply their own Rules and Regulations or make an incorrect interpretation. They gave the same answer in both cases.

Should the situation be so clear cut as you characterise it, then why is it taking FIFA so long (several months, now) to point this out to the IFA, for what would be the third time (at least)?

**EalingGreen** · 30/08/2007, 4:57 PM

Originally Posted by livehead1

EU Legislations is full of little bits annexed onto the end of them with regard to Irish nationality and loads of different things related to the situation in Ireland. For instance, positive discrimination re: catholics teachers in schools and catholics in psni etc. I would imagine legally, if the outcome of FIFA in the brazil/qatari case is to say go away son you can't play for qatar just because you weren't good enough for brazil/they offered you a load of cash, then the are going to say you are either resident, born, parents or grandparents born in the country you want to play for. That would do FIFA to stop that problem. Then, FIFA will also look at the issue which i'm sure they will already be well aware of and come out with what is almost a get-out clause for the fai and fifa themselves and annex onto the end of this rule something along the lines of "due to the complex political climate in Northern Ireland and under the provisions in *GFA LEG.* (Enter here) which entitle and person born on the Island of Ireland to gain citizenship and therefore a passport of Ireland, they shall be entitled to represent either Rep. Ireland or Northern Ireland.

Obviously far more elequently than I have put it in the 2 mins i spent on it but im sure you get the gist...I think that is what is likely to happen.

How bizarre that you should make vague reference to EU legislations [sic] over a matter regarding FIFA's footballing regulations. They're not the same. FIFA has 206 Member Associations, the vast majority of which are located outside the EU. As is FIFA itself.

As for the postion of "catholic teachers or police officers etc", how is this in any way relevant to Darron Gibson? And where has the GFA ever mentioned football, or FIFA the GFA?

Have you been smoking some of that funny tobacco that students are said to be fond of?

**livehead1** · 30/08/2007, 5:04 PM

Originally Posted by EalingGreen

How bizarre that you should make vague reference to EU legislations [sic] over a matter regarding FIFA's footballing regulations. They're not the same. FIFA has 206 Member Associations, the vast majority of which are located outside the EU. As is FIFA itself.

As for the postion of "catholic teachers or police officers etc", how is this in any way relevant to Darron Gibson? And where has the GFA ever mentioned football, or FIFA the GFA?

Have you been smoking some of that funny tobacco that students are said to be fond of?

I was giving examples where annexations have been used in legislation that has related to the Ireland. If you thought about things a little more before simply replying you would maybe understand that.

The GFA does not need to be mentioned by FIFA. It is the GFA which allows occupants of the North Irish passports, that has led to this confusion in some peoples minds.

FIFA's regulations are not sufficient in this matter; however, I believe they're not bothered about this matter greatly, they're more concerned about the Qatar problem. However, when they do rule on that issue, it may be sensible of them to issue an annexation to the legislation they provide, which lays to rest once and for all the problems that many people in the north seem to be having trouble getting they're head around, which is that people born in their territory are choosing to play for the Republic.

**EalingGreen** · 30/08/2007, 5:05 PM

Originally Posted by youngirish

I hold my hand up EG it was me for which I must apologise but in fairness it was after listening to years and years of your ramblings to which I had been understandably driven to the edge of my sanity and not after 6 posts as per above.

So you condemn one or two wholly unrepresentative posters on OWC for suggesting KK be banned because they didn't like what he posted, soon after calling for me to be banned from this site because you don't like what I post.

And all this a day or two after Livehead complained that he, an ROI fan, could not post on the NI fans website, after he had previouly urged me to clear off from this site on the grounds that I am not an ROI fan?

Do I detect a trend?

**livehead1** · 30/08/2007, 5:10 PM

Originally Posted by EalingGreen

So you condemn one or two wholly unrepresentative posters on OWC for suggesting KK be banned because they didn't like what he posted, soon after calling for me to be banned from this site because you don't like what I post.

And all this a day or two after Livehead complained that he, an ROI fan, could not post on the NI fans website, after he had previouly urged me to clear off from this site on the grounds that I am not an ROI fan?

Do I detect a trend?

get sick of listening to the same oul diatribe. you could say what you have to say in a much condensed form. i dont attempt to name call your academic ability either, so take a look in the mirror (probably the computer screen in your case) before criticising me!!!!

**youngirish** · 30/08/2007, 5:13 PM

Originally Posted by EalingGreen

So you condemn one or two wholly unrepresentative posters on OWC for suggesting KK be banned because they didn't like what he posted, soon after calling for me to be banned from this site because you don't like what I post.

Yeah. I thought I explained the differences though and my reasons for suggesting this. Why do you ignore certain parts people's posts while selectively commenting on other parts, ignoring the overall context?

**co. down green** · 30/08/2007, 5:15 PM

Originally Posted by EalingGreen

I saw O'Ceeeeeeerereaoul play last season on loan for Brighton and if his performance that day is anything to go by, Kane simply could not be worse than him. In fact, I doubt if Kane's mammy could have done much worse...

Anyhow, assuming Kane does accept the invitation to the squad, I for one hope he gets a warm welcome from everyone involved

I was speaking to someone last night who knows the Kane situation pretty well.

It seems that Tony was told last week by Don Givens that he did not meet the standard required for the Ireland u21 side at present, thus his exclusion from the 18 man squad for the u21 qualifiers in Cork next week.

According to Nigel Worthington he has been named in the squad to "give him the opportunity to decide for himself but he seems pretty keen at the minute," said Worthington. (All Worthington statements should come with a health warning, after his lies about Darron Gibson).

If he does not meet the standard then its the kids decision, but you would have thought he might have fought to secure a position in the future, or perhaps he will just take the easy option.

Time will tell.

**paul_oshea** · 30/08/2007, 5:18 PM

Originally Posted by Not Brazil

Closer to 1,500 actually - and mainly the type of fan who would know exactly who each player plays his club football for.

And if he starts scoring goals against Rangers, frankly, I'd be amazed - he's, err, a goalkeeper.

I thought he was a right back?!

**Not Brazil** · 30/08/2007, 5:20 PM

Originally Posted by lopez

This happened the day that the IFA flew the Union rag over Windsor Park.

The National flag of the United Kingdom Of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, the Union Flag, does not fly in any official capacity at Northern Ireland games held at Windsor Park.

The Union Flag that normally flies in an official capacity at Windsor Park, is removed for Northern Ireland international matches.

Interestingly, the flying of the Union Flag at Windsor Park, by Linfield Football Club, does not seem to have deterred the increasingly numerous amount of players from a nationalist background playing (at all age levels) for that particular club.

**EalingGreen** · 30/08/2007, 5:21 PM

Originally Posted by livehead1

I was giving examples where annexations have been used in legislation that has related to the Ireland. If you thought about things a little more before simply replying you would maybe understand that.

The GFA does not need to be mentioned by FIFA. It is the GFA which allows occupants of the North Irish passports, that has led to this confusion in some peoples minds.

FIFA's regulations are not sufficient in this matter; however, I believe they're not bothered about this matter greatly, they're more concerned about the Qatar problem. However, when they do rule on that issue, it may be sensible of them to issue an annexation to the legislation they provide, which lays to rest once and for all the problems that many people in the north seem to be having trouble getting they're head around, which is that people born in their territory are choosing to play for the Republic.

"Annexations" [sic] are what eg the Nazis did to Austria, or the Sudetenland.

And indeed the GFA does not need to be mentioned by [sic] FIFA. Which is why it hasn't been.

And if it is the GFA which "allows occupants of the North Irish Passports" [sic], the GFA hardly selects international football teams. (Though it is actually the Government in Dublin which allocates Irish Passports to people from NI, something they were doing long before the GFA was ever even conceived)

And as for you final paragraph, the one thing I have no difficulty getting my head round is the fact that some "people born in their territory [sic] are choosing to play for the Republic". It is the rest of the drivel which I cannot understand...

P.S. You have been smoking, haven't you?

**paul_oshea** · 30/08/2007, 5:23 PM

Interestingly, the flying of the Union Flag at Windsor Park, by Linfield Football Club, does not seem to have deterred the increasingly numerous amount of players from a nationalist background playing (at all age levels) for that particular club.

hmm that sort of comment makes me wonder immensely at what you hope for those in the north.