no need for a qualification in the above sentence, the fact that it came from the FAI increases its chances of tripeness!Originally Posted by geysir
just out of interest , once you are a passport holder of a country and havent represented any other country before , is there any FIFA rule which could prevent you ?
Was he crazy!! Yeah , in a very special way , an Irishman.
I slept, and dreamed that life was Beauty;
I woke, and found that life was Duty.
no need for a qualification in the above sentence, the fact that it came from the FAI increases its chances of tripeness!
Was he crazy!! Yeah , in a very special way , an Irishman.
I slept, and dreamed that life was Beauty;
I woke, and found that life was Duty.
Geysir's been right all along I think. I studied the rule a while back (2004 Unity Cup) and was 100% certain that when McGeady played a small part in one of those games he had committed himself to us categorically. His age was not the issue, the key was that it was an "A" international, as will Wednesday's game.
I can't look up the rules at work - security settings don't allow me to download pdf files from FIFA.com.
Nationality is what determines eligibility in the first place and isn't passport eligibility / possession the essential criterion?
Stutts, fortunately for football there are a few holes in the firewall. If they had proper security settings at your workplace, conducive to work productivity, then the firewall would block out Footie as well.
i would have thought so but i think i recall FIFA stopped Ailton the brazilian declaring for qatar even though they gave him a passport
Was he crazy!! Yeah , in a very special way , an Irishman.
I slept, and dreamed that life was Beauty;
I woke, and found that life was Duty.
The FAI are under no doubts about Darron's international future.
Sunday Mirror - A spokesperson for the FAI, responding to the Worthington story said " Darron has been with us from under-age level and is completely commited to the Republic set-up. He has no interest in playing for ther North.
I think you will find that the ruling was made by Fifa's Heinz Tannler, Director of the Legal Division, and Corina Luck, Head of General Legal, in a joint letter to the IFA, which was copied to the FAI," in October 2006.
"In it, they informed the IFA that 'the existing situation in Northern Ireland allows players to choose whether they wish to represent Northern Ireland or the Republic of Ireland'
Worthington needs to stop the begging and go and find a few more German/Englishmen like Maik Taylor to represent 'Are We A Country'
They stopped him because he had no connection or allegiance to Qatar and was basically selling his nationality to play for Qatar: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...ca/3523266.stm
In an example say of a Polish born footballer with an Irish Passport, uncapped at any level for Poland, is selected to play for Ireland.
Then FIFA says that he has to have at least 2 years residency here.
I think I'd quit.
Looks like we might be able to put this to bed!
http://www.eleven-a-side.com/boysing...p?newsid=28947
Hopefully Stan gives him a run out...
"Well I think they'll be a little disappointed with that" - Matt Holland on TV3 after 5-2 drubbing by Cyprus
that pretty much clears it up for me , it means that even if we make irish citizens of the lads born in the six counties then fifa could later come round and declare them ineligible ? no ?
Was he crazy!! Yeah , in a very special way , an Irishman.
I slept, and dreamed that life was Beauty;
I woke, and found that life was Duty.
Darron Gibson was in the squad for the game against San Marino, which was of course a competive game. Surely UEFA / FIFA would have stepped in then if there was any doubt over his eligibility? Had he appeared in that game, he'd have been tied to the ROI without any doubt.
I can understand Northern Ireland's fustration and i do sympathesise, but if the lad wants to play for ROI, then they'll do well to let it lie.
exactly so see my other post , we could have a nightmare scenario when lads from the north would be declared ineligible for us. I hope the Fai and dept. of foreign affairs are on the ball here.
Was he crazy!! Yeah , in a very special way , an Irishman.
I slept, and dreamed that life was Beauty;
I woke, and found that life was Duty.
The Laurel and Hardy of efficiency and organisation must surely have this covered.
Quoting years at random since 1975
It could happen but it would take quite a revamp of existing regulations.
Not just an interpretation issue.
Young lads in the North are entitled to Irish citizenship by merely being born on the Island.
This is not disputed by the IFA.
At Present FIFA acknowledge that a lad born in the North to have the right to have dual citizenship. So the rules for players who have dual citizenship apply at present.
Those rules are clearly laid out, that a lad can change before the age of 21 as long as they have not been capped at senior "A" level.
Can we trust the FAI? That's a hard ask.
But to their credit so far they give the appearance of playing a cute diplomatic game.
Can we trust John Delaney to pull off an act of audacious skulduggery if need be? in that I think we have the right man.
Sorry, I took the meaning of your use of "supposed" up wrongly i.e. that you were wondering whether it was authentic or not. Not a problem.
As for the reliability of a letter from that source, you may well be correct, but as I've tried to point out, it is irrelevant to Gibson's case whether Stan picks him in a friendly or a competitive match.
We know Gibson is eligible for the Senior IFA team, but we do not know whether he is eligible for the senior FAI team, nor will we until FIFA gives a definitive answer.
Your faith in the FAI, though touching, does not appear to be shared by all the people who actually live within its jurisdiction, e.g:
Originally Posted by geysir
"Even if the letter did come from the FAI, it is tripe"
OR
Subsequently posted by RogerMilla
"no need for a qualification in the above sentence, the fact that it came from the FAI increases its chances of tripeness!"
As for the Sunday Mirror quotation, as a Statement of Fact, it may be unimpeachible. However, it does not actually state he is eligible for the senior FAI team (never mind demonstrate the means by which he is so eligible).
As for your October 2006 letter (never made public in full by the FAI, afaik), if that was the final word on the matter, why, subsequent to the IFA requiring clarification from FIFA in early 2007, do FIFA still require further information from the FAI as of August 2007?
As for your final "dig" at the IFA and Big Maik, all I will say is that FIFA are perfectly happy with his eligibility to line up for NI and it is they who have the final say on such matters.
Which means that whatever way FIFA decides in the Gibson case, this NI fan will accept their determination. Can we say the same for ROI fans? Even the ones from NI?
Stan could include Maradona, or even Madonna, in his squad, should he choose. It does not become pertinent until the player actually takes to the field.
As for your second point, it is nice to see that at least some fans have an appreciation of the IFA's predicament here. Which is that no Association, especially one with such scarce resources and playing population, is going to stand by idly whilst young players they have developed suddenly decide, for whatever reason or none, that they were going to opt for another Association, before their eligibility to do so had even been definitively established. The same principle would apply whether they were opting for ROI or Brazil, England or Bhutan.
In this particular case, the IFA has no gripe against Gibson personally, as evidenced by the fact that they will still offer him the chance* to play international football should FIFA exclude from playing for the ROI.
* - Of course, whether he accepts that chance or not must be entirely up to him.
It is not Stan or the FAI which is the final arbiter in disputed cases, it is FIFA. And they haven't decided yet. Therefore, Stan's giving him a run-out in a friendly establishes nothing. Though his selecting him for a competitive match would be a different thing altogether, if for no other reason than that the opposition would need to be satisfied that all was in order!
Ealing, you keep saying FIFA havent decided and there is some major consideration ongoing. But FIFA have said
Is this not a decision? Are you relying on the 'existing situation' line?The existing situation in Northern Ireland allows players to choose whether they wish to represent Northern Ireland or the Republic of Ireland
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