Celtic Discussion

[Jam]

haven't given Celtic players grief for over two decades. That was in the sad days where Rangers thought our national team was their team - total bigotry basically. Only the paranoid at Parkheid would think otherwise. Players aren't given grief at all - we don't care which club they play for...

The fan base is more the small clubs noo- I'm Dunfermline. I suppose some of these fans are more patriotic than your average old firm fan and dislike more what Rangers stand for than Celtic.

In general folk try to get on. We avoid club colours (we dinnae want moronic h*ns and t*ms fighting) apart fae the Queen's Park away top which has a huge Irn Bru can on the front and is a stoater .

I'd say the link to the article I posted is broadly correct overall if you want to get a feel for it - although I thought ye went yersel?

Also the fact that ye can never count yer chickens with regard to hooliganism coming back or just general bad behaviour which some folk hink they can get awa wi cos of the reputation of the TA is brought out well in the article. I wonder if the Irish fans have similar sort of problems i.e. arses turning up and acting a bit ootae order cos they think they can dae anything cos of the fans' good reputation..

[Éanna]

Originally posted by Jam
supporters of Eircom sides see their sides as Irish and Celtic as not (which is fact basically) but more importantly don't like the links being made between Celtic and Ireland (which is a matter of opinion..

I think you're spot on there to be honest. I personally have no problem saying that Celtic are a Scottish club with huge links to Ireland- the reason many other eircom League fans do have a problem with any linkage is because if one says to your average Irish Celtic fan that Celtic are Scottish, they don't agree. These people are so blind and caught up in their imaginary football-jersey wearing struggle against the British government that they will actually look you in the eye and say "Celtic are Irish." Which anyone with a brain can see is not fact. This level of extremity means that many eL fans take the other extreme in a "if they won't reason, neither will we" attitude.

[Scotsman]

Hi Jam I have only been to one Scotland game unfortunately.

I was not nterested in going to Scotland games when I was young - Was more interested in club games.

I always remember my dad watching Scotland games on the TV and I would not watch them as I thought they were boring.

I think the reason for that was that I was watching clubs week in and week out and Internationals were now and again and Scotland's football was not as free flowing as the Hoops.

As I got older I learned to appreciate Internationals more.

I always wanted Scotland to win.

I always loved the World Cup etc..

A couple of my mates had maybe been to 1 or 2 Scotland games but not a great deal - My dad used to go when it was the old Hampden and said the Scotland V England games were amazing.


Thanks

Robert

[Paddy Ramone]

More Irish people should support Hibernian as their favourite Scottish side instead of Celtic. The Hibees were the first football club to founded by Irish people ever in 1875. They were established by a Catholic priest Canon Hannan from Ballingarry, Co Limerick and their first captain came from Kilglass, Co Roscommon. Hibs' most famous supporter was the Irish Socialist Republican, James Connolly who led the 1916 rising. Connolly's parents came from Clones, Co Monaghan.

There is also the amazing fact that whenever a Hibee plays for Ireland, Ireland win and haven't even conceded a goal with a Hibee in the side. The full record is below.

17.5.1937 Paddy Farrell, v Swtizerland 1-0, Berne FR
23.5.1937 Paddy Farrell, v France 2-0, Paris FR
7.3.1954 Mickey Gallagher, v Luxembourg 1-0 Luuxembourg WC
27.3.2002 Nicky Colgan, v Denmark 3-0, Dublin FR
13.2.2003 Nicky Colgan, v Scotland 2-0, Glasgow FR
30.4.2003 Nicky Colgan, v Norway 1-0, Dublin FR

P W D L F A
6 6 0 0 10 0

A note on one of the players who is interesting, Mickey Gallagher was born on the Arranmore island Gaeltacht of the coast of Donegal and played GAA in Co Donegal before he moved to Scotland. He was the first native Irish speaker to play for Ireland and was an unsung member of the half-back line of Hibernian side that contained the famous five which was the best side in Scotland at the time.

So more Irish people should follow Hibs instead of Celtic (1888) who are just an imitation of the Hibees (1875).

[Paddy Ramone]

Yeah, you are right but that was only up until 1892, nowadays the Hibees have as many Protestant supporters as Catholic and are now completely non-sectarian unlike Celtic whose supporters are nearly all Catholic.

[Peadar]

Originally posted by Silvio Dante
No such nonsense at Celtic thankfully....

I heard that Rangers was formed by non-catholic people who weren't allowed to play for Celtic?
That sounds like sectarianism on the part of Celtic to me.

Football is a religion all of it's own.
I've seen God in Turners Cross.
He plays up front for Cork City FC.

If I ever start following Scotish football I'll consider Hibernian, is that ok?

[NigeSausagepump]

Good Jesus .

Can I now say that everyone who considers themselves to be Irish should support Botev rather than Nafteks in the Bulgarian first division.

Whereas Nafteks have an Irish setter called Paddykov as a mascot, Botev are more Irish as they show repeats of Father Ted dubbed into Bulgarian on the black and white TV in the club bar.
You owe them your allegiance.

[James]

isnt there a scottish football website out there in the internet that ye can go and discuss this drivvel

[Blueman]

During the early 1970's the Hibs chairman at the time wanted to sever all ties with Ireland and removed the Harp which stood outside the main gate. He also tried to rename the club but this was going too far.
In the last couple of years due to increasing pressure from supporters the Harp has been incorporated in the new crest.

[Scotsman]

Did he??

Why he's Irish!!!

That a strange one - Never heard that before.

[fonzi]

naturally, it's got to be an Irishman's duty to follow the mighty Glasgow Rangers, the pride of all of Britain

how better to remember the great Irish rule by adopting the finist royalist team is Scotland and remembering the greatness of all things monarchonial

[petef]

Originally posted by Silvio Dante
Irish? No. Scottish who made his fortune in Canada. Started numerous campaigns to stop the Soldiers Song being sung pre-match and tried to tie up sectarian problems with the strong Irish connections.

The fans were having none of though thankfully....

How wouldn't the sectarian problems not be connnected with Ireland, unfortunately they go hand in hand.

I like Celtic, enjoy the football but all the bull**** that goes with it I have no interest, for purely football its great.

Having lived in Glasgow now for 4 years about half of the Celtic fans I've met are Scot's who think they are someway Irish because of distant family relations.

It is often this ill informed type of fan who will happily sing things like the Soldier Song and other sectarian songs I've never even heard of, some are even shocked that I'm Irish and don't know these tunes, you could explain to them that the south of Ireland (the majority, theres always a few) is not in any way as bigoted and twisted as they actually think, in fact most haven't even been there, the furthest they get is Donegal.

Best one I can remember is the Rangers fan who said to me he was shocked to see some woman from Ireland on Stars In Their Eyes singing Simply The Best, his words to me were how could she sing that tune when its played at Ibrox week in week out, when your faced with this level of stupidity on a weekly basis theres nothing you can say.

I have no problem with anyone supporting a distant team, I've supported Forest since I was a kid and have taken a keen interest in Celtic since I arrived over here.

I still keep an eye out for the odd result in the Eircom League as I used to train with a div 1 team a few yrs back and also play for the amateur side of another LOI team I also watch out for irish teams in europe and have a scout about these forums, but to be honest I can't really get excited about irish soccer as I still think the standard needs to improve significantly. Maybe things have changed since I last saw a game so I apologise if I am wrong.

Peter.

[Jam]

have to say Fergus McCann I think was right to try to remove the sectarian problems at Parkhead and if you think the singing of various Irish rebel songs at Celtic park isn't in a sense sectarian motivated then I would say take yer head oot yer erse.

There is a considerable vocal minority parkhead that think they are Irish in some way due to the fact that they are catholic (not even religious either - yet in some way culturally catholic). They are total bigots and think that Scottish society hates celtic and catholics and that non-celtic supporters are all h*ns. The removal of that is something to be applauded. I think Celtic are too Irish in this cringeworthy sentimental way. Rangers of course are a complete disgrace as well but they aren't being discussed.

Interesting to note that the Scottish Celtic fans who are anti-brit and republican don't vote SNP (Scottish Independence) - they all vote North-Brit Lab*ur party - so in fact they are all north-Brit Scum! Ha!



If I was Irish I would definitely support an Irish team not some team created by the Irish disapora over a century ago in a different country whose supporters (say in Scotland) identify with an identity of a country (Ireland) that in a huge way no longer exists in such a radical form.

[NigeSausagepump]

Originally posted by Jam


If I was Irish I would definitely support an Irish team not some team created by the Irish disapora over a century ago in a different country whose supporters (say in Scotland) identify with an identity of a country (Ireland) that in a huge way no longer exists in such a radical form.

Very well put mate.
My sentiments exactly.

[Paddy Ramone]

Originally posted by fonzi
naturally, it's got to be an Irishman's duty to follow the mighty Glasgow Rangers, the pride of all of Britain

how better to remember the great Irish rule by adopting the finist royalist team is Scotland and remembering the greatness of all things monarchonial

That's a good one, all the old Irish Gaelic chieftains were staunch monarchists. The Irish bards sang songs and wrote poetry exalting the Catholic Stuarts in the eighteenth century. 'Mo Ghile Gear' a song about Scottish hero Bonnie Prince Charlie was even considered as an Irish National anthem. Republicanism was brought to Ireland ironically by Ulster Presbyterians so Celtic should be the Royalists and Rangers should be the Republicans.

[wws]

East Fife
St Mirren
and South Park


there the teams I have a soft spot for in scotchland

[fonzi]

soldier song is a wasted lament by a bunch of people who are undermining what ireland is really all about.
we dont need fools chanting from the terraces about this that and the other, slandering this person or that,

its crap

[eoinh]

i wish Celtic luck in their campaign to join the premiership.


celtic - the unionist club

[wws]

up south park!

[Paddy Ramone]

As I said before Hibs are the best Scottish side for the Irish to support. They were the first ever side to be founded by Irish people in 1875 and wore the green even before Ireland did. Also they have roughly 50/50 Catholic-Protestant support and are non-sectarian with less of the old firm bigotry. I think Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland fans should wear Hibs tops instead of old firm tops. I'd also like to add that the greatest Irish player ever, a certain George Best (a Protestant) wore the green of the Hibees.