Celtic Discussion

[Princess Leia]

This argument about Celtic is ridiculous. I have a soft spot for FC Barcelona - I'm not Spanish (sorry, Catalunyan). So what if Celtic play in Scotland? So what if Celtic have a huge following of Irish supporters! Does it really matter? What's wrong with you all!!!

Why don't we do the club or country argument next - just to change the tune a bit!

[Gary]

I personally don't give a sh!te about the argument about whether they are an "Irish" or "Scottish" club, all I know is that any club that celebrates it's links to Ireland is ok in my book.

The only ones 'celebrating' Celtics 'Irishness' are misguided Irish people who think that GCFC give a fúck. All they care about os the money that you blindly spend on a flawed product.

If that makes people think that I jumped on the proverbial "bandwagon", then look a bit closer to home and ask yourself why you support some Premiership team on the side.

I dont support some premiership team on the side. I watch a few games here and there.

[NY Hoop]

Agreed,very much!
Bring on My ideal CL final;St.James Gate v.The Celtic Football Club...... never happen mind.......Cellic just Can't get out of their CL group(This season,incidentally being one of the hardest,IMO!)

Love it if was Shels.....have no time for them,but even the bitter muppets on here would be speechless..... have time to reacquaint themselves,with the Struggles of the Diaspora!

Bit tired to be honest of your patronising attitude. When I mentioned our teams playing in the SPL obviously I didnt mean playing on the same level as the Old Firm. The fact that this has to be pointed out to you sums you up. Also you and docboy love calling us, the real fans, bitter.

If you want to call us "bitter muppets" for supporting real Irish teams instead of english ones so be it. You claim we are ignorant and need to learn our own history. I am fully aware of Irish culture outside Ireland and I dont need to read any book to clarify this. I'm well travelled and have lived abroad. Lost count of the Irish abroad who did nothing but slag off anything and everything Irish. Sound familiar?

Let me make it real clear what a real fan is. For somebody in THIS country it is supporting your local team FIRST. IF somebody wants to follow the fortunes of manure, celtic or whatever AFTER that fine.

But I cant understand how "fans" here, and these are the real muppets, who refuse to support an Irish team and yet spend a lot of sterling "supporting" an english team. Witness an english team coming over playing an Irish one and the Irish team getting booed onto the field by these wannabee english ****s. Witness these same MUPPETS foaming at the mouth when the english national team are playing. Best of the lot is when you point out the hypocrisy

Might I suggest you take your head out of the clouds or your arse, come home and take a game in without the chip on your shoulder.

KOH

[Junior]

i'll be totally honest here and say i used always checked celtics results................but i even forgot about the game last night.
they are sh!t club going nowhere and thats thanx to mr.desmond

in a real world it would take at least 10 million to replace larrsson...............but they get camara on loan

mr.desmond puts on the poor mouth constanly

champions league the last couple of years,uefa cup run to the final, 60,000+ at parkead(celtic pk) every 2nd week and they are broke

my b0llox

he has a fortune amassed thanx to thick ignorant irsh people that think celtic are irish


get a life

i got out in time

what a wonderfully balanced and informative assessment of Celtics financial situation and indeed that of Scottish football.

I really would be ignorant on these things if it wasn't for foot.ie

bravo - keep it up.

[Junior]

Let me make it real clear what a real fan is. For somebody in THIS country it is supporting your local team FIRST. IF somebody wants to follow the fortunes of manure, celtic or whatever AFTER that fine.

KOH

hahahah the old 'Real fan' argument. Once again an EL fan enlightens me as to what a REAL fan is, oh what would we do without you.

[drinkfeckarse]

The only ones 'celebrating' Celtics 'Irishness' are misguided Irish people who think that GCFC give a fúck. All they care about os the money that you blindly spend on a flawed product.

Every club sells a product and it's up to the public to buy it. What about the merchandising machine that is Manchester United?
Cork City sell a product whether you accept it or not. The "Rebel Army" is rolling so to speak, encouraging fans to come along and City's fanbase has increased considerably in the last few years due to the marketing push.

The funny thing is, if a fella for instance from London is over in Cork some weekend, takes in a City game and gets hooked, what you do say to him then if he keeps coming over to support City thereafter? Tell him to get to f**k?, support your own local team? Methinks not, he would be made more than welcome which is exactly the case for Celtic supporters.

The vast majority of Celtics fanbase are Scottish but if you're not then you're welcome to support the team anyway.

What's the problem???

[Schumi]

hahahah the old 'Real fan' argument. Once again an EL fan enlightens me as to what a REAL fan is, oh what would we do without you.

You're quite right, the commitment shown by people going to the pub to watch English teams never fails to inspire me and I only wish I could manage the same level fandom as them.

[Gary]

The funny thing is, if a fella for instance from London is over in Cork some weekend, takes in a City game and gets hooked, what you do say to him then if he keeps coming over to support City thereafter? Tell him to get to f**k?, support your own local team?

The difference being is that the London guy wont have started supporting City because of their 'Catholic Roots'.

Another difference being that this guy wont be supporting City because its a socially accepted norm to do so.

he would be made more than welcome which is exactly the case for Celtic supporters.

Most Irish Celtic 'Supporters' have never been to Parkhead once, let alobe regular visitors.

You're quite right, the commitment shown by people going to the pub to watch English teams never fails to inspire me and I only wish I could manage the same level fandom as them.

very good.

[drinkfeckarse]

The difference being is that the London guy wont have started supporting City because of their 'Catholic Roots'.

Another difference being that this guy wont be supporting City because its a socially accepted norm to do so.



Most Irish Celtic 'Supporters' have never been to Parkhead once, let alobe regular visitors.

As explained earlier, I started supporting Celtic because the fact that I saw loads of Irish flags at Parkhead impressed me which will be the case for a lot of Irish fans, not because it's the socially accepted norm. The supporting them because they're a Catholic club theory is misplaced and dated considering a number of the team are Protestant. In days gone by that might've been relevant and even then only in Glasgow.


Most foreign fans of any club have never been to a game involving their side, in most cases it probably boils down to financial reasons which is fair enough.
I'm not going to call him any less of a fan just because he can't go to a game than say the fella who lives next door to the stadium and is a company director somewhere.

What you are basically suggesting is that Irish Celtic fans support them for the sole reason of it being "cool" to do so or because of religion.
A very uneducated generalisation IMO. Just because you're not a Celtic supporter yourself and can't understand it doesn't mean you should pidgeonhole people who are.

I don't understand how you support Cork City but I don't question it or have a problem with it

[NY Hoop]

Sounds like someone needs a visit to their local library....& read up more on the Diaspora
As for the EL,am more than happy to go to see games,as have done in the past with LOI;seen Shams.@ diverse venues as RDS ,Dalyer & Tolka......would concentrate yer energies on getting the new ground.....ready c.2010?!

Think you need to re read my last post. Maybe I do need to check out my local library to see who these shams are

You've been to a few games at home. Did you feel the need to spread your knowledge of the "diaspora" when you were at the games cos after all EL fans are ignorant?!!

It's up to the directors of the club to concentrate their energies on getting Tallaght up and running. You think arsenal fans are building emirates stadium?!

KOH

[NY Hoop]

hahahah the old 'Real fan' argument. Once again an EL fan enlightens me as to what a REAL fan is, oh what would we do without you.

Be a barstooler and go down to a pub to cheer on a foreign team?!

KOH

[Junior]

Be a barstooler and go down to a pub to cheer on a foreign team?!

KOH

sorry to ruin your theory - but I happily spend large amounts of my hard earned cash and time supporting Celtic and Ireland. However I tend to refrain from going on ego trips telling the world they are 'thick', 'barstoolers' ' not a REAL fan' etc. look at me I support my local team yadda yadda yadda........


Blue Peter badge for that man - woo hoo

[Junior]

You're quite right, the commitment shown by people going to the pub to watch English teams never fails to inspire me and I only wish I could manage the same level fandom as them.

So only if you support an EL team would you know this? What about the coach and plane loads of supporters who regularly make the trip to glasgow to support their team - are these REAL fans? I guess not, because they are supporting a foreign club yadda yadda yadda

[Gary]

What you are basically suggesting is that Irish Celtic fans support them for the sole reason of it being "cool" to do so or because of religion.
A very uneducated generalisation IMO. Just because you're not a Celtic supporter yourself and can't understand it doesn't mean you should pidgeonhole people who are.

Walk into Tom Lynchs on Barracka, and you will see that my 'generalization' uis quite accurate. IRA tattoos with Celtic jersies. Great fashion statement there.

Okay, I do take the point that a guy can be a genuine GCFC fan, while living abroad.

I don't understand how you support Cork City but I don't question it or have a problem with it

Wha???

[NY Hoop]

Er,the Shams.are your own team ....met many Rovers fans' over the years who are happy with this title......I would challenge anyone's ignorance of wider Irish culture,inc.those natives who take on the notion that the EL is worthless*

* Largely in my experience,assuming they are soccer fans,many 'barstoolers' perceive the EL as being dull & skilless.....probably as their senses have been dulled by the extensive diet of TV footy currently available.Would dispute this with them,but is undoubtedly of a lower level than most CL/EPL/SPL games....but happy to see the concept of the domestic game progress.
A little less paranoia about Celtic & foreign clubs from EL fans,though would not go amiss ! if yer really bothered about the 'enemy within',save yer energy for the G.A.A. ,though they're entitled to'laugh' @ you!

Only ignoramus' call us shams. Dont know who these ROVERS' fans are that are happy with that title.

I'm not paranoid. Ultimately people will do what they want. Dont take any notice of barstoolers generally. Their senses cant be dulled. They are already brain dead. Why do you think they all follow manure or liverpool?!!They know about as much about the game as the gum on my shoe. If andy gray said drink paint they would do it

Undoubtedly the EL is a lower level than the CL and the EPL but on a par with the SPL, bar the big 2 of course.

And I have absolutely no problem with the GAA.


KOH

[Gary]

Only ignoramus' call us shams.

I believe the term is Ignoramii!!!

[drinkfeckarse]

I don't understand how you support Cork City but I don't question it or have a problem with it

Wha??? [/QUOTE]

Just joking Gary, should've put "why you support" instead of "how you support" and it would've came across a bit better.

Basically, each to their own I suppose is the moral of the story!!

[NY Hoop]

I believe the term is Ignoramii!!!

LOL.

Now where's my blue peter badge yadda yadda yadda?!


KOH

[Slash/ED]

So what about the vast majority of Irish people that support e.g. Liverpool or Man Utd? Are they all mad too for supporting a team that they have no affinity with?

If anything it's understandable that so many Irish people support Celtic, the first thing that drew me to them was whenever I saw them on telly when I was young, I always saw loads of Irish flags at the games. That is naturally going to please any young Irish man who loves their country. You don't see too many of them flying about in the Premiership so what draws people to support them?

I personally don't give a sh!te about the argument about whether they are an "Irish" or "Scottish" club, all I know is that any club that celebrates it's links to Ireland is ok in my book.

If that makes people think that I jumped on the proverbial "bandwagon", then look a bit closer to home and ask yourself why you support some Premiership team on the side.

The point is there's no difference between the Celtic fans and the EPL "barstoolers". I've no problem with people supporting foreign clubs, if you want to do that than that's fine, nobody is obliged to support anybody, but don't try and tell me some random foreign club is more "Irish" than another. They're all the same. You can fly all the Irish flags you want at CP and be formed by whoever you want, it doesn't change a thing. Now, I wont be daft enough to say that as a result of this celtic fans aren't "real" fans, all I'm saying is there's no difference between them and the rest of the people who follow foreign clubs.

Someone mentioned how Celtic have connections here due to the fact that so many Irish support Celtic. Well I'd say the most popular club over here is Man U, not Celtic, and at least nobody trys to claim anything about how "Irish" or not they are.

And to the person complaining about RTE showing the celtic game over the other CL games, get yourself Sky Watched Milan V Barca myself, absolutley cracking game. Two teams who simply have world class players all over and oddly enough the Italians actually left their own half at times in the match, wouldn't suprise me at all if thsoe two clubs contested the final if that's possible.

[drinkfeckarse]

The point is there's no difference between the Celtic fans and the EPL "barstoolers". .

I think you'll find there's no difference between the Celtic barstoolers and EPL barstoolers not the Celtic fans Slash. That was my point about every Celtic fan being pidgeonholed with the same stigma.