Celtic Discussion

**Paddy Ramone** · 14/01/2004, 5:55 PM

Originally posted by davros
Seems fair comment;Rivalry seems confused,as both seem more bothered about their Glaswegian equivalents,esp.Hearts who seem to regard this more in a' Liverpool-Manchester' way,whereas Hibs.,mildly seem a tad more political?

You may be right about the Hearts/Old Firm rivalry being more geographic, well certainly Hearts/Rangers. Hibs fans hate Celtic because they stole all their best players and claim to be the "Irish" club in Scotland, ignoring the fact that the Hibees were the first to wear the green. They hate Rangers for the same reasons everyone else does and because Hibs would have a little bit more Catholic support than other clubs (except Celtic of course) because of club's origins.

**OFGTF** · 14/01/2004, 10:15 PM

Originally posted by davros
Am trying to find working Hearts & Hibs message boards',to put a general point to them?Will advise,if I find!

I'll save you the bother.

The majority of genuine Scottish fans ....... and by genuine I mean those that follow their local team and turn up to watch second rate footballers play in a second rate league knowing full well that the money grabbing, player stealing, bigoted brothers grip on the game will mean that you know before a season starts you are playing for nothing more than a possible chance of an away trip in a qualifying round of the UEFA Cup ......... hate the Old Firm with a vengence.

Our friend The Scotsman has deserted his local team of Airdrie, who I might add went into administration and went out of business due the the lack of funds and support, to head off for a bit of glory hunting at Celtic Park.

Do not think for a second that this fools views on Scottish football are in any way a reflection of the thousands that turn out to follow their local teams because he has no idea what it's like to put hard earned wages into the life blood of the Scottish game.

As has been pointed out by others Hibernian were around a long time before Celtic were (Hibs formed 1875 Celtic in 1888). The misconception thrown around by a lot of Celtic fans is that the team were formed by a catholic priest to help out the local community. It was in fact Hibs that were formed in this way and prior to Celtic being formed Hibs had already played a number of well mannered charity matches against a certain Glasgow Rangers to help the communities of Edinburgh and Glasgow.

It is the opinion of many that the forming of Celtic was in no small part down to the vision of some as to the money making options a football team could generate. This is in a way backed up by the fact that the formation of Celtic came about with the luring of players from the Hibs team of the time through to Glasgow with the promise of financial gain.

On to the modern game though.

There are busloads of Old Firm supporters deserting their local teams every weekend and it is fair to say that these supporters are looked upon in much the same way as you view those supporters deserting the Irish League for the spoils at Celtic Park.

Yes there is rivalry between Hibs/Hearts, Dundee/Dundee Utd, Raith Rovers/Dunfermline but it is exactly that .. rivalry. It is not the hatred which is so visible on the day of an Old Firm derby and it does not revolve around religion/sectarianism/bigotry.

I think if you ask any Hibs/Hearts supporter they will say that they hate the Old Firm more than they could hate their local rivals. The gruesome twosome are killing the Scottish game and the frustrating thing is they wont think twice about jumping ship and infesting what ever league is willing to take them.

**Mukadua** · 15/01/2004, 2:36 AM

Originally posted by eoinh

Imagine not supporting an irish team because there not good enough (which may be a valid point) and then choosing Hibernian, which you seem to have done. Thats madness!! You could have chosen Real Madrid but you chose Hibs of Edinburgh. Smart choice boy. Funnily enough i think that Bohs and Shels are of a higher standard than Hibernian of Edinburgh. If more people like you supported them or city then they would be much better than them.

Be a real football fan go to real live football matchs.

Dinnae talk pish son.

Ohh aye, I rarely miss a game.

Hibernian FC, been around the block a few times and still going strong.....

**Mukadua** · 15/01/2004, 2:42 AM

Originally posted by Conor74
Going to Scotland for a few days in Feb. Hibs/Hearts derby on. Worth going along to? Any hassle at that game? What's a good Hibs pub (assuming a green Cork City top won't go down too well with Hearts fans)? Are tickets easy to pick up over there or will it be a sell out?

Conor, we (Hibernian) will be at home and most pubs near the ground will be Hibs. Want to taste the passion pre match, try the Cabbage and Ribs in Albert Street, five minutes from the ground. A Hibs theme pub packed on Derby day. (Your Cork shirt will be made most welcome). Did ye know there is a Dublin Hibs SC made up of Irish League fans and expat Scots who come over a couple of times a year. Tickets will be available from the stadium up to the day before kick off.

**Mukadua** · 15/01/2004, 2:47 AM

Originally posted by davros

Appreciate sour grapes between Glasgow & Edinburgh,but the former has always been a Hotbed of football interest with huge crowds @ 3 different grounds over the last century.....or were there'glory-hunters'even then?!
PS.Here's to Hibs.coming 2nd.!& Cowdebeath/Albion Rovers getting into Europe,somehow.....

Mair pish, 15, 000 v us late 80's early 90's, when we took at least 2-3000 to away games, Huns late 70's 3000 at a home game and Thistle rarely get more than 4000 home fans. Huge my arse.

If you know your history? If ye dinnae, make it up.

As for your patronising pish about hoping Hibs come second to Celtic. I hope you lot feck off to England. We don't want you.

**Jam** · 15/01/2004, 11:25 AM

have to echo OFGTF comments about the gruesome twosome. Even other rivalries like Hibs/Hearts ye'll find they hate the Glaswegian north-Brits (pseudo Irish nationalists/loyalists) more than each other. I'm Dunfermline and we've historically had a wee rivalry with Falkirk and Raith - just a wee one like cos we're so superior it gets tedious

but now ye find that everybody just wants to gub the OF.

When we beat Rangers the other week 2-0

I was watchin it in London with a Hearts mate of mine. Despite the fact that we are both competing for 3rd place (UEFA cup and the only real prize for the truly Scottish teams) he was wantin us tae beat them. This is the same all over Scotland amongst the local team supporters - they all want the old scum to get phukt. I don't hate Falkirk supporters - how could I? They're just like me. Do Eircom league fans hate other fans - or is it better than walking aboot wi a Celtic, Man U, Liverpool top on? Course it is.

**Mukadua** · 19/01/2004, 9:20 AM

Fan boycott my arse. If I could be bothered I would dig out the figures to highlight a very, very long boycott. Glory Hunters, 40,000 plus of you!!!!

And I quote...........In the past 40 years the lowest League gate at Parkhead is the 4,956 who watched Celtic v Dundee on Apr 24th 1984.......when did this boycott start again?

**gustavo** · 09/02/2004, 1:52 AM

i know you have read "theres only one red and white army" conor so u will know that the passage about the half time protest at milltown would tell you all you need to know about eircom league solidarity