Quotethat's hardly an answer LH...Originally posted by Lionel Hutz
You from the League Of Ireland PR team or what?
or are you from the 'trample on the LOI team' or what?
If that statement is made in reference to where a person originates from or their backround and is said in a fashion to cause offence and indeed violence on occasion then yes it is a racist statement!Originally posted by Conor74
You really are not the brightest crayon in the box. Your logic is that any phrase that causes offence, if repeated, makes the person who makes that statement racist.
Ahhhh but I see yer from Kerry, Id imagen Jackie Healy Ray gets yer first preference...................
Now I see where yer logic comes from!
that's hardly an answer LH...Originally posted by Lionel Hutz
You from the League Of Ireland PR team or what?
or are you from the 'trample on the LOI team' or what?
This is going round in circles at this stage and Iv had enough, its getting boring!
You say Im a plastic paddy and I say your a racist now can we just leave it at that?
Not at all!Originally posted by tiktok
or are you from the 'trample on the LOI team' or what?
I would love to see football flourish in Ireland and try not to critices the standard of football as many people who support teams from across the water do as I think League Of Ireland clubs do great work on the amount of resources they have to operate with I just dont like the League of Ireland fans thats all.
not liking all LOI fans is a bit much though isn't it....
what experience's are you basing this on, have you been to a game where you were treated particularly badly or are you basing it on those you've encountered on this message board???
not having a go, just curious.
I think McCracken being a Freemason as many of the the leaders of the United Irishmen were, might have a problem with the "Masonic Conspiracy theories" of many Celtic fans. Celtic fans are always going on about referees and the SFA making biased decisions as part of some huge "Masonic Conspiracy". Also McCracken would identify with the fact that Hibs were owned by a Freemason Harry Swan from the 1930's onwards.Originally posted by aussie_tim_1798
what a couple of ******** posts these are. firstly, Hibs were the only sectarian club in Scotland to begin with - they only played Catholics as a rule. Hibernian was far more solely Irish Catholic than Celtic - only in the last half-century did that changed, simply because the Glasgow clubs became the top two, the rivalry more intense and politicized etc. McCracken, as a "scotch-irish" ulsterman, would certainly find the tricolor and the term "Celtic" instead of just the Latin for Irish, more accomodating to his heritage and politics (seeing as Hibs of late have developed a distinctly non-celtic, non-irish, non-scottish fascist casual element).
and what on earth would McCracken find offensive about Celtic's songs? admittedly, in the past there were a few "John Knox is down in hell" and "oh it's great to be a Roman Catholic", but since the board-initiated Bhoys Against Bigotry campaign, these have been successfully banned. even ones i'm sure he would have approved of, like A Nation Once Again, have been banned
furthermore, there are a huge amount of protestant celts - myself included. i've never even been inside an RC church, the only church i ever attended was protestant, and i know alot of Celtic fans (particularly in US, Aus, and NZ) who are the same. (i'm actually agnostic now though btw). and believe me, we have no trouble being accepted by the 70%-85% Catholic-schooled majority.
i rather think McCracken would have been a follower of a Ulster Belfast club, like Glentoran, or maybe even Cliftonville.
Also for your information it was way back in 1893 that the Hibees first opened their doors to non-Catholics. The support base was further broadened to include more non-Catholics when Swan became the first non-Catholic director.
Also it wouldn't be too suprising if McCracken would have been a Cliftonville supporter. Up until about 1970 Cliftonville were a mainly middle class and Protestant amateur football club (same background as McCracken). And it was only after demographic changes during the "troubles" that they changed to a mainly Catholic semi-professional club.
I also forgot to mention that original motto of Hibernian was "Erin go Bragh" meaning "Ireland Forever" or "Ireland until Doomsday" which was used on the green flag flown by the men of 1798 and which was flown by many Hibernian supporters in the 2001 Scottish FA Cup Final.
PS McCracken was also educated in Edinburgh so that's another reason he might identify with Hibernian.
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No worries mate!Originally posted by tiktok
not liking all LOI fans is a bit much though isn't it....
what experience's are you basing this on, have you been to a game where you were treated particularly badly or are you basing it on those you've encountered on this message board???
not having a go, just curious.
Been to games (but never been treated badly as such) various message boards and indeed just people I know from day to day activities who attend LOI games!
Never meet such a small minded self righteous bunch in all my life!
Have no time for them and they have completely turned me off watching domestic football.....when the hell did we suddenly start calling it "soccer" anyway?
This ****** from them about Celtic=secterian just reafirms what Iv come to believe over the years.
BTW when I was younger I often attended the Carlisle Grounds and Dalymount on the odd occasion
The fact that the first irish people came from scotland, we were all celts, used basically the same language and have always had a close relationship with one another, helped each other in many battles(mostly against england), Our people have more our less the same characteristics, alot of the same customs, Ways for making and building stuff would make us completely different wouldnt it.Originally posted by Lionel Hutz
Personally I dont see Irish and Scottish culture and history as being at all similar which is the way it should be!
Lots of different colours are far nicer than just different shades of grey
If olive oil comes from olives, where does baby oil come from?
Always thought the cultures of both countries parted to a large extent with the arrival of the reformation and its ideals to Scotland.Originally posted by Cityace
The fact that the first irish people came from scotland, we were all celts, used basically the same language and have always had a close relationship with one another, helped each other in many battles(mostly against england), Our people have more our less the same characteristics, alot of the same customs, Ways for making and building stuff would make us completely different wouldnt it.
Dunno about helping each other in battles either, think ye may have seen Braveheart one to mant times!
Alot of the misery inflicted on Ireland (specialy in the last few hundred years) has been at the hands of Scottish people IMHO.
However thats getting of topic, which I think has been done to death, think Il let it go now unless a new angle appears to the thread
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