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    What about this one:

    Taking a wee break from the golf circuit, Tiger Woods drives his new Buick Rendezvous into an Irish gas station. An attendant greets him in typical Irish manner, unaware who the golf pro is, "Top o' the morning to ya". As Tiger gets out of the car, two tees fall out of his pocket. "So what are those thing my, son?" asks the attendant.

    "They're called tees," replied Tiger.

    "And what would ya be usin 'em for, now?" inquired the Irishman.

    "Well, they're for resting my balls on when I drive," replies Tiger.

    "Aw, Jaysus, Mary an' Joseph!" exclaimed the Irish attendant. "Those fellas working for Buick think of everything!"

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    Unhappy my Celtic-Irish conundrum...

    ok, so i'm a Glasgow Celtic supporter from Australia...

    before all you anti-Glasgow Celtic fellas on here judge me, try and put yourselves in my shoes for a sec: i wasn't brought up supporting any soccer club (soccer being a game for "wogs and poofters"), so when i started taking an interest in the beautiful game, i was able to make a very concious and deliberate choice as to which club i would support. an EPL round-up is on TV every monday night here on SBS, and i came very close to supporting either Leeds Utd or Liverpool. the former because i liked the squad (Kewell, McPhail, Harte) and the kits (all-white, and yellow) and the latter because... well, because they're Liverpool. but i'd always had Celtic in the back of my mind, because i was and still am very interested in Irish history and culture. if a foreign-born Ireland-loving celtophile is going to support a football club, which one do you think it'd be? considering that in Australia at least, i would never be able to see a single eL match. so when i read more of the Celtic's history, and saw my first Celtic match on TV, i fell in love with the club. the songs, the atmosphere, is unbelievable. (especially in comparison to the AFL!). and i sympathize(d) with many of the East End Glaswegians who romantically see themselves as displaced/exiled Irish.

    but i agree with the central thrust of the anti-Celtic argument, namely, that it's hypocritical to fly the tricolor and sing songs about Ireland, when all the money you put into the club is going to Scotland. (i think it's very easy to take Football too seriously, and to get all moralistic about what is, after all, entertainment..i mean, using the same logic that some anti-Celtic people are using here, i could attack them for not supporting Ireland sufficiently, because they're not supporting the youth teams. obviously a line has to be drawn somewhere...i'd say, at supporting Man U and sport inevitably becomes political because of its very nature, and right or wrong, there's no denying it enhances the atmosphere..)

    solution: the proposed Atlantic League. profressional football has become highly money-oriented, and i don't see this changing in the foreseeable future. big clubs in smaller leagues, are finding it harder and harder to compete with the big clubs in the EPL, Bundesliga, La Liga and Serie A. most of the following clubs have expressed their consideration or approval (in the case of Celtic since 2000) of the proposed league with would rival the large aforementioned ones...

    Club Brugges [Belgium]
    PSV Eindhoven [Holland]
    Ajax [Holland]
    Benfica [Portugal]
    Sporting Lisbon [Portugal]
    RSC Anderlecht [Belgium]
    Glasgow Rangers [Scotland]
    Glasgow Celtic [Scotland]
    Feyenoord [Holland]
    AIK Stockholm [Sweden]
    Gothenburg [Sweden]
    Brondby [Denmark]
    FC Copenhagen [Denmark]
    Standard Liege [Belgium]

    with Celtic and Rangers participation in the SPL scrapped, so too would the possibility of winning the domestic treble, thus, it would be no great crime if Celtic pulled out of the League Cup, and instead competed in the FAI Cup. Celtic would become the first border-transcendent football club, playing home games alternately in Glasgow and Dublin. Celtic FC could merge with Shamrock Rovers, building a new stadium and garnishing an immediate fanbase. by the time all this occurs, the inevitable United Ireland will hopefully have been achieved, and the Belfast Catholic community would immediately rally around an official re-identification with the Grand Auld Team, Belfast Celtic (maybe even a further merger with Cliftonville?).

    this scenario would thus eliminate the hypocrisy inherent in the present situtation. and since Celtic will be playing in the Atlantic League, we also wouldn't be faced with the peculiar situation of the club competing against other Irish clubs on a week-in, week-out basis.

    this is all very far-fetched i know, but i think it's obvious that the future of football in these capitalist supra-national times is border-transcendent, and it is only a matter of time before a permanent European leaugue replaces all national leagues (with domestic Cups staying in place). we may not like it, but it is inevitable, if money is going to continue ruling and running the beautiful game.


    on a quite different note....i want to follow an eL club... but which? obviously i have an immediate leaning to the Shamrock Rovers because of their strong Celtic FC connection, and they're roving/wandering history also appeals to me...then most of my Irish ancestors were from Cork, but i don't know if any of them were actually from Cork City. and has said club dropped the "Rebels" nickname? other ancestors were from Clare, but then there's no Clare club... but how can i really decide without even being able to see a match? i hope to go on student exchange to UCD, so maybe i'll have to wait till then, and experience the atmosphere of each club, before i can make any truly informed decision...

    anyways, i apologize for the long-windedness of this post...

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    No offence but this is complete poo.

    If your so interested in Irish culture support an irish team.
    But the fact is that you said you fell in-love with the atmosphere, yadda,yadda,yadda,etc. so therefore your influences have p!ss all to do with Irish culture.
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    i'm confused by your reply... are you denying that Irish culture has had a great effect on the culture of Glasgow Celtic?

    and i said i wanted to support an eL team... is it not possible to support two teams?

    moreover, if i take your point to its logical end, if i was interested in Irish culture, i shouldn't follow a soccer club at all, but only Gaelic Football and Hurling, right?

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    Well no since you said you wanted to support a soccer team.The only influences that We have on celtic now are the idiots who give them their money instead of our own teams.If you wanna follow an irish team then just do it instead of just talking about it.Its not that hard.And i suppose you can follow two teams but its not socially accepted hereabouts.

    Why dont you follow an aussie team?
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    well, it is hard, because i can't see a single game!

    but let's say, next year, when i'm at UCD and i do get to see games, and i decide on a club, if, for every dollar i spend on Celtic FC, i equaled with a dollar spent on an Irish-based club - will that go anyway towards redeeming me in your eyes?

    as regards to why i don't follow an Australian team... have you ever read anything about Australia? not exactly a history that begets a whole lot of pride, if you know what i mean... 'tis true, that it probably is "the most Irish country outside of Ireland" culturally, but a lot of things have to change sociopolitically before i'll even consider lending my support to anything that represents Australia.

    and it's not true that the only thing Irish lend to Celtic FC now is money... they still sing Irish songs, there's still more young talent signed from Ireland than anywhere else outside Scotland...
    Last edited by aussie_tim_1798; 08/09/2003 at 8:11 AM.

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    Thread split. If it goes off-topic again, it'll be locked. For what it's worth, I can't understand why this argument goes around and around and around. Celtic is a Scottish club, what's so hard to understand about that?

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    Re: my Celtic-Irish conundrum...

    Originally posted by aussie_tim_1798
    ...if a foreign-born Ireland-loving celtophile is going to support a football club, which one do you think it'd be?
    Just because you have irish roots of some sort why do you feel you have to support a club thousands of miles away that you have no connection to? That would be tha same if supporting a scottish or irish club.

    I could pick an Italian team to support cos i liked their jerseys or whatever but how will i ever have an connection with that club? I can still watch them on tv & look out for their results but i can never really be called a supporter cos i'm really only a spectator...
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    moreover, if i take your point to its logical end, if i was interested in Irish culture, i shouldn't follow a soccer club at all, but only Gaelic Football and Hurling, right?
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    Can i just get rid of a misconception.

    The only "Irish" sports in the world are hurling and croquets (no i am not making this up). Gaelic Football is just that - an Irish spin-off of rugby/association football.

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    "tim_1798" - i think this is more interesting in the context of ur connundrum.

    I hardly think that Henry Joy McCracken would enjoy a Glasgow Celtic game. I dont think he would appreciate the "Irish culture" inherent in a lot of Celtic supporters songs.

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