Back in the 1930's the first Protestant to have shares in Hibernian, Harry Swan did consider changing the name to Edinburgh Thistle or something like that I think. Hibs would have lost a large section of their support if this had happened so I suppose he changed his mind. Swan also stopped Catholic priests getting free into matches in an effort to attract more support from non-Catholics.Originally posted by Lionel Hutz
Of these facts Im sure your right!
But are you saying that my previous post about Hibs clear attempts to disassociate itself from its Irish roots are not true?
But also duing the Harry Swan era, Donegalman Mickey Gallagher the first native Irish speaker to play for Ireland, played at right-half in the same side as the famous five.
The simple fact is that Hibernian were the first football club to be founded by Irish people ever and Celtic are just a spin-off founded by Hibs supporter Brother Walfrid, just like Dundee United (originally Dundee Hibs ) were founded by another Hibs supporting Irishman Pat Reilly.
Last edited by Paddy Ramone; 04/09/2003 at 2:26 PM.
Swan did indeed try to make Hibs "less Irish" . He removed the harp that stood at the main gate and wanted to change the name. The harp has recently been incorporated in the new ( couple of years old now ) Hibs badge. This was designed with input from the supporters.
I could easily say - I'm Irish as my mum's maiden name is Rooney.
Why would I want to do that??
I'm not Irish - I was born in Scotland, Talk with a Scottish accent.
People who claim to be Irish and kidden themselves.
Americans/Canadians and even English do the same with Scotland.
The only reason the majority do that is for secterian purposes - IE Catholism.
Certainly they could have a soft spot for Ireland but not claim to be "Irish".
No they are not they are Irish cos their great-grandad moved to Glasgow 100 years ago and they've been to Donegal once. Just ask Silvio.
I've had enough of this cr@p.
Some of Silvo's posts were as if they were more proud to be Irish.
Each to their own - We have enough people who are proud to be Scottish.
Personally I think they are fools to pretend to be Irish or otherwise.
If you strip away the whole secterian aspect and Celtic/Rangers existance there would not be people who thought they were Irish becuase they have an Irish surname from way.....back and support Celtic.
Some people do this to feel closer to Celtic.
Same with Rangers supporting England.
No Scotsman in their right mind would support the English.
The Tartan Army hate Rangers wearing England tops.
This whole thing is a plague and must be ridden of from Scotland and society as a whole.
I have no qualms with anyone who is genuine about their own ancestry - I hate people who latch onto it for football/secterian and bigoted reasons.
To Jam - Are you of Scots descent?
I'm from Dunfermline as is maist of ma family. I'm not of 'Scots descent' - I'm Scottish masel - nae descent aboot it fella!
Mibbe A'm Irish though cos ma Grandad was fae Ireland and I've been tae Donegal one time aboot ten year ago and I was in Derry last year fur a stag do! ....and A ken the wurds tae the Fields of Athenry......
i agree with the 'each to their own thing' that silvio is getting at to a degree, i'm in the states now and if i had a kid over here i would definitely want him/her growing up considering themselves irish.
the problem arises when the traditions and culture that the ex-pats cling to no longer bears a resemblance to the land they left. the green mist, comely maidens dancing at the crossroads and rose tinted view of the 'troubles' and our 'struggle' create a chasm between irish residents and those abroad that consider themselves irish. this is where the whole plastic paddy thing is generated from.
this is more prevalent in the US than in scotland because the two nations (ireland and scotland) do share a lot of similarities, both positive and negative. but at the same time, holding a tricolour at celtic park while singing rebel songs doesn't make you irish, it simply makes you a celtic fan.
It wa shis Grnadad so maybe it didn't translude to the parents.
Anyway being Scottish is something also to be proud of as much as Irish.
If had a choice to come back as any race I would choose Scots/Irish and then Brazillian for the footie and the burds.
How's that?
Here's a wee joke :
You'll be sick o' the Irish jokes so here's one on my Countrymen.
A recent Scottish immigrant to the U.S. attended his first baseball game. After a base hit, he heard the fans roaring, "Run...run!"
The next batter connected heavily with the ball and the Scotsman stood up and roared with the crowd in his thick accent, "R-r-r-un yah bahstard. R-r-run!"
A third batter slammed a hit and again the Scotsman, obviously pleased with his knowledge of the game, screamed, "R-r-r-un ya bahstard, r-r-run will ya."
The next batter's count went to three and two. As the next pitch went outside the plate, he held his swing. The umpire called a walk and the Scotsman stood up yelling, "R-r-r-un ya bahstard, r-r-run!"
All the surrounding fans giggled quietly and he sat down, confused. A friendly fan, sensing his embarrassment, whispered, "He didn't run as he's got four balls."
After this explanation the Scotsman stood up in disbelief and screamed, "No wonner yer running!"
OR
A woman golfer suffers a nasty bee sting and leaves the course to go see her doctor about it.
"What happened?" asked the doctor.
"I got stung between the first and second hole," replied the lady golfer.
The doctor replied, "You must have an awfully wide stance!"
Or
Little Johnny was in his nursery class when the teacher asked the children what their fathers did for a living.
All the typical answers came up- fireman, policeman,salesman... etc... Johnny was being uncharacteristically quiet and so the teacher asked him about his father.
"My fathers an exotic dancer in a gay cabaret and takes off his clothes in front of other men. Sometimes ,if the offer is really good, he'll go out to the alley with some screamin fag and take it up the ass."
The teacher ,obviously shaken by this statement, hurriedly set the other children to work on some coloring, and took little Johnny aside to ask him,"Is that really true about your father?"
"No," said Johnny, "he plays for the Rangers, but I was too embarassed to say".
Sorry that should be "No wonner yer not running!"
That is what it should read - Sorry
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