Celtic Discussion

[Son_Of_Erin32]

People are free to support whoever they like as far as i'm concerned, be that Celtic, Man Utd or any Irish team. I support Celtic because they're the club i feel the closest affection to, it's been that way ever since i can remember and it's a tradition that's existed for decades of my family's generations.

Why should i have to change all that just because some guys on here let their inferiority complex get the better of them and take exception to who i support??

Celtic approximate that at least 5,000 of their 53,000 season ticket holders are based in Ireland, myself included, so at least it shows that the Irish 'supporters' do just that and make every effort to live up to the name by going to see the team. I've yet to meet a so-called supporter of any English team who bothers to travel to see the matches, too many define their 'support' as sitting watching the live match on SKY Sports every weekend!

These are the people you're wanna have a go at. Celtic have a genuine, long upstanding tradition of being greatly-supported in Ireland and that will never change, if anything it will only grow stronger.

[liam88]

But it doesn't make sense for Irish people to support a Scottish club over their own local club.

Aye it doesn't and most of us don't. As I said before I'm an Ireland fan, a Rambs fan, and a Celtic fan-in that order as far a soccer is concerned
Don't think people arguing over Celtic's IRishness will ever change anything as there will always be Celtic fans and shirts throughout Ireland on both sides of the border for various reasons.
Far as merchandise goes Scotland have only just caught up with Ireland in the number of official Celtic shops, with a new one just been opened at Glasgow ariport; previouslyScotland just had Glasgow City and Endinburgh in contrast to Irelands stores in Belfast, Derry and Dublin.
Not saying that this proves anything excpet in theory it is easier to get Celtic merchandise on our island than in Scotland, you'd struggle to find a sports clothing shop in Cork that doesn't stock the hoops that's for sure.
In Cork there are a fair few Liverpool jersey's and the odd Everton, Man. Utd and a couple of Leeds.

[gspain]

How do the Irish Celtic fans feel about our bright young mdifielder prospect who was earning £800 per week while starring in the champions league then signing a deal with Man Utd for £25,000 per week and getting booed at every touch by his own fans despite trying his guts out. Why should a young Cork lad show any more loyalty to one British club over another?

Furthermore if John O'Flynn announced he was walking out on City at the end of his contract to sign for Man Utd I couldn't see too many City fans abusing him.

[liam88]

How do the Irish Celtic fans feel about our bright young mdifielder prospect who was earning £800 per week while starring in the champions league then signing a deal with Man Utd for £25,000 per week and getting booed at every touch by his own fans despite trying his guts out. Why should a young Cork lad show any more loyalty to one British club over another?

Furthermore if John O'Flynn announced he was walking out on City at the end of his contract to sign for Man Utd I couldn't see too many City fans abusing him.

Aye you're talking different matter here-I may be a Celtic fan but I'm not defending the booing in any way.
Many Celtic fans are upset because Celtic kept on Liam Miller whilst he was injured; when it would have been better off for the club to drop him, and then as soon as he became fit again he left.
So; MANY Celtic fans feel betrayed and boo him wherever they see him. Now of course-and I'm not trying to stir up trouble here, just stating an obvious fact-there are many Celtic fans at Irish matches.
Therefore the booing can be heard at the matches.

[adamcarr]

Aye you're talking different matter here-I may be a Celtic fan but I'm not defending the booing in any way.
Many Celtic fans are upset because Celtic kept on Liam Miller whilst he was injured; when it would have been better off for the club to drop him, and then as soon as he became fit again he left.
So; MANY Celtic fans feel betrayed and boo him wherever they see him. Now of course-and I'm not trying to stir up trouble here, just stating an obvious fact-there are many Celtic fans at Irish matches.
Therefore the booing can be heard at the matches.

Well you cant really call them 'fans '

[gspain]

What gets me is that certain people feel he should have been loyal to Celtic because of his Irishness etc etc eg if he'd been a young Swede or Spaniard then no problem.

My point being that Cork City would not expect a young Cork lad to turn down a massive pay increase to join Manyoo even if they lost out on a transfer fee. Why should a British club expect a young Cork lad to favour them over another British club.

The talk of booing him too in an Ireland shirt was disgraceful.

Furthermore the guy gave his all and more in the UEFA Cup despite the boo boys.

It appears Celtic have learned their lesson and tied their other bright prospects to long term contracts.

And btw I'm not a manyoo fan.

[nlgbbbblth]

Does that go for Irish fan's supporting an english club.

No; English clubs are English clubs and don't pretend to be anything else -- people are under no illusions about that

However supporting Celtic because you think them "Irish" or "Catholic" makes no sense if you live in Ireland. Surely you should support your local team. After all they're genuinely Irish.

Re: supporting England
I can see why Irish people hate the England side - no arguments there.
However this hatred only makes sense if they do not support an English club.
People who support Liverpool / Man U /Arsenal etc all year round and shout for ABE are guilty of sheer hypocrisy.

also the same hyporcrites cite English tabloid media arroganace as a reason for their dislike of England's national side.
Yet the very same people purchase the Oirish Sun and Oirish Mirror in droves.

[lopez]

Could anybody please tell me what the problem is with my team.

I personally have a love/hate relationship with Celtic. Love it because it is a club founded by the Irish for the Irish community in Glasgow. Southside Bohs, you're talking out of your a*se if you think that Liverpool are the same unless of course you're one of these w*nkers that think you cease to be Irish the moment you stick your face out of the 26C. However the hate bit comes in droves: The fact that people not only claim that it's an Irish club (therefore as nlgbbbblth says, surely Celtic should be left for the diaspora or at most when Irish clubs are knocked out of Europe) but on par with the National team - this bit sends me f*cking loco. Then there are the other things: Celtic's relationship with the anti-catholic discriminating den of the devil. While there was real - and I'm equating it on terms to the O6C - discrimination in jobs, Celtic and their fans were doing business with Glasgow's most high profile bigots. Every ticket bought, every programme obtained, every dodgy pie consumed helped fill the coffers of Rangers. What hypocricy!

What gets me is that certain people feel he should have been loyal to Celtic because of his Irishness etc etc eg if he'd been a young Swede or Spaniard then no problem.

My point being that Cork City would not expect a young Cork lad to turn down a massive pay increase to join Manyoo even if they lost out on a transfer fee. Why should a British club expect a young Cork lad to favour them over another British club.

I'm no fan of Man Ure, but in the same way that a move for Miller from Cork to Manchester would be good for Ireland supporters, was good coming for Miller leaving a third rate league to one of the top teams in one of the top four (possibly three considering the increasing quality of imports who are no longer in the autummn (more like early December) of their careers) leagues in Europe. But again Celtic is equal to Ireland in many peoples eyes.

Re: supporting England
I can see why Irish people hate the England side - no arguments there.
However this hatred only makes sense if they do not support an English club.
People who support Liverpool / Man U /Arsenal etc all year round and shout for ABE are guilty of sheer hypocrisy.

also the same hyporcrites cite English tabloid media arroganace as a reason for their dislike of England's national side.
Yet the very same people purchase the Oirish Sun and Oirish Mirror in droves.

Good point. I don't support any English team under any circumstances. Wait a minute! Did support my non-league home town side in the Hertfordshire senior cup final against Barnet a few years back. Does that count? It's currently owned by an Dubliner BTW

[shugk1]

How do the Irish Celtic fans feel about our bright young mdifielder prospect who was earning £800 per week while starring in the champions league then signing a deal with Man Utd for £25,000 per week and getting booed at every touch by his own fans despite trying his guts out. Why should a young Cork lad show any more loyalty to one British club over another?

Furthermore if John O'Flynn announced he was walking out on City at the end of his contract to sign for Man Utd I couldn't see too many City fans abusing him.

Why ask the Irish Celtic fans, how about us all, it sounds like you're making a mockery of the Celtic for what Liam was being paid. In the days before he left for Old Trafford he was offered in the region of £20,000 by Celtic not bad for a boy who played a few good games and is still relatively just a good prospect.

[ccfcman]

as an aside i would like to say that many irish celtic fans are members of a strange bandwagon.in cork at least the scummiest of scum (on the scafolding @ the redbull thingy ) wear celtic jerseys,thinkin they are well hard and "hate those rangers huns",and indeed know very little about celtic,its foundationn for the irish commounity etc.ironically they love hartson...which is strange as he was due to join rangers two years before he joined celtic but failed a medical.

if celtic fans hate the english blah blah and want to be weld hard irish nationalists and wear one of the only football jerseys in the world world with a proper large shamrock on it then they better head to greeece to grab a PAO(Panothinaikos) jersey.founded by an irish monk in c.1903.thats your real irish nationalism.

[Plastic Paddy]

if celtic fans hate the english blah blah and want to be weld hard irish nationalists and wear one of the only football jerseys in the world world with a proper large shamrock on it then they better head to greeece to grab a PAO(Panothinaikos) jersey.founded by an irish monk in c.1903.thats your real irish nationalism.

An Irish monk called Giorgos Kalafatis? For 'twas he who founded the club in 1908. And the reason their club badge contains a "shamrock" (they call it a "trikorn") is that several strains of the clover family are also native to Greece. So there you have it. And not an Irish connection in sight.

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[lopez]

An Irish monk called Giorgos Kalafatis? For 'twas he who founded the club in 1908. And the reason their club badge contains a "shamrock" (they call it a "trikorn") is that several strains of the clover family are also native to Greece. So there you have it. And not an Irish connection in sight.

PP

Very common plant in Greek sports teams' emblems. At least one Greek Cypriot team has the shamrock (Apoel??). Nothing to do with Ireland though.

[EamonD]

An Irish monk called Giorgos Kalafatis? For 'twas he who founded the club in 1908. And the reason their club badge contains a "shamrock" (they call it a "trikorn") is that several strains of the clover family are also native to Greece. So there you have it. And not an Irish connection in sight.

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Ah it's trefoil not trikorn but nice try anyhow me little Greek scholar.

[Plastic Paddy]

Ah it's trefoil not trikorn but nice try anyhow me little Greek scholar.

We do our best. Anyhow, I have enough problems with the English language, never mind mastering the Greek.

Welcome on board, by the way.

PP

[Gary]

When did peoples dislike of Celtic come about anyway?

On the other hand, where did peoples love come from???

[Templehall]

A good friend of mine is Scottish, now living in Limerick - still supports his local team - Raith Rovers. He was adamant that his kids wouldn't grow up supporting an English team so he took them to matches on trips back to Scotland - both Raith Rovers and Celtic. The result is 3 Irish Celtic supporters.
I know he has tried to get them to tune in to the League of Ireland, but honestly, how can you expect anyone to watch the antics of Limerick City?

[Knoert]

what a big thread...

I haven't read all 34 pages... but as a foreigner, I can say I like Celtic, gloryhunting? maybe... although what does a Scottish title mean nowadays? It's either Rangers or Celtic... of course it's important, but that's not a reason to become fan of a team IMO.
Main reason I became a "fan" of them is the history, culture and big support without troubles (most times ).

btw, I support my local glory over here in Holland ...

[The Quiet Man]

Nothing,Pal.

As a fan of 32 years(started as an Ulster pr*d,FFS!)& season-book holder,many who slag off the club have never been near the place ........we're dismissed as smartar*es & troublemakers elsewhere on this board,FFS!
Celtic,as has been said many times,is the club of the Irish diaspora(as are certain others.....No limit on this no....not all Irish live in Ireland!!!)....an accident of geography has placed it in Scotland....read http://etims.net

Did they not have a right rant at the irish when Miller signed for Man U? Caused a fair bit of a barney if I recall.

[lopez]

Was to do with the way in which he signed for M*nUre....after he'd been injured...refused to sign a new contract,after having his head turned by his agent!
Ancient history now,but just hope he's a failure at the Theatre of prawns...& establishes himself for Ireland & club,elsewhere!

Disagree. If he's a failure there's more chance he's a failure with Ireland. I'm not up for wishing him bad luck at our detriment just so it pleases Celtic fans.

[Plastic Paddy]

Disagree. If he's a failure there's more chance he's a failure with Ireland. I'm not up for wishing him bad luck at our detriment just so it pleases Celtic fans.

Oh I am. I hope he breaks his leg every time he steps on the pitch for ManUre, only to effect an amazing recovery each time Kerr calls him up for Ireland.

No... wait... now I'm confused. Shurely it works the other way round with Fergie's braves? Let's wait for Miller's catalogue of injuries to extend themselves around future international call-up times...

PP