Celtic Discussion

**parnell ranger** · 27/05/2003, 8:08 AM

"if they want to go off glory hunting every second weekend away with them, i don't really care just don't tell me i should be going with them, i'm happy in flancare park, it means more to me that any other ground on the planet ever could"

for a fella who"dont really care"your doin as lot of ranting.
if someone told you to jump into the camlin just cos its fashionable would you?
Have you no mind or free will?
People will support who they like be it celtic longford man u or all 3 .
most of your posting is attention seeking gibberish.
i hate celtic cos im bein bullied into supportin them ?
i mean c'mon grow up kiddo,

**max power** · 27/05/2003, 9:21 AM

Originally posted by oddboy
Well thats actually wrong.
The club was set up by Irish emigrants, and featured mostly Irish people for a good while, and there has always been an Irish presence at the club. The whole point of founding the club was to serve as a focal point for the ex-pat Irish in Glasgow, of which there were/are quite a few, and not as a Catholic club, as is often believed.
I still can't see why you would hate a club, because of the behaviour of their Irish supporters.
By that logic you must hate Man U, Liverpool, Arsenal, Leeds etc etc

were "glasgow" celtic ever a team registered in ireland, the answer is no, they are not irish!!!!!

see ex pat irish, no longer in ireland, if your can't see why i hate the club you've just written it above, they are not irish , support man united and they are not irish and i've never said they were and i would never tell someone to follow them either

**max power** · 27/05/2003, 9:23 AM

Originally posted by parnell ranger
"if they want to go off glory hunting every second weekend away with them, i don't really care just don't tell me i should be going with them, i'm happy in flancare park, it means more to me that any other ground on the planet ever could"

for a fella who"dont really care"your doin as lot of ranting.
if someone told you to jump into the camlin just cos its fashionable would you?
Have you no mind or free will?
People will support who they like be it celtic longford man u or all 3 .
most of your posting is attention seeking gibberish.
i hate celtic cos im bein bullied into supportin them ?
i mean c'mon grow up kiddo,

i'll rant if i want but it proves its a big topic with the amount of replys and views and i'm not alone in my feelings

**Scotsman** · 27/05/2003, 9:47 AM

The debate for this could last forever.

We must respect everyone's opinion - If you hate Celtic DJ that's up to you.

Everyone is getting rather uptight - I can understand you don't like being forced into something - Shows character not to follow suit - I'm the same myslef.

I support Celtic becuase I wanted not because I was forced to.

Different for me being in Scotland I suppose.

Cheers

**patsh** · 27/05/2003, 9:49 AM

Originally posted by A face
Oddboy ......... I think that is actually wrong ........ Sell-Thick were set up by St. Vincent dePaul from what i hear.

TRhe Irish club for the ex-pat was actually Hibs, and it was when Hibs were not doing well that the Irish players then moved to Sell-Thick to get more money.

Sell-Thick then capitalised on the Oirish thing to sell more shirts etc.

Is it true that Sell-Thick are actually telling cobblers to cash in on any fool willing to believe it.

Well, face, rather than hearsay, you might try to find out the actual facts.
Celtic was set up by a priest as a focal point for all the Irish people in Glasgow, and given the blessing of the Land League, a grouping which had represented most of the Irish when they were here at home. The aim was to raise money to try to help the extreme poverty suffered by the Irish in Glasgow.
Hibs are in Edinburgh, a completely different city, which is hardly of any use to someone in Glasgow. Hibs originally had a policy of only playing "practising Catholics", while Celtic had no overtly religious strictures.
Celtic and Rangers, which was a strictly Protestant club, enjoyed a great rivalry which was entirely sporting up until 1916. The workers at the Harland & Wolff shipyard, almost all Protestant, felt that the Easter Rising was a betrayal of all those who were dying at the battle of the Somme. Celtic supporters were seen as being in favour of the Rising while thousands of Irishmen were dying in France. As a huge number of Ulster Protestants died, a very bitter hatred developed which led to the formation of the "Billy Boys" a hardcore Protestant street gang which specialised in slitting the throats of Catholics. To this day, "We are the Billy Boys" is the song of choice for Rangers fans, the chorus being "We are up to our necks in Fenian blood". Hardly compares to "Low lie the fields of Athenry" does it?

I'm not trying to get into an argument over this, but simply trotting out some vague notions about what you think happened is hardly good grounds with which to damn a club. No matter what you think, it is a fact that Celtic do have a long association with Ireland.

As for a club trying to cash in on any fool, again Man U, for instance are surely much more guilty of all the charges levelled against Celtic, yet there does not seem to be the same problem with that club.

**max power** · 27/05/2003, 9:54 AM

you said it face they have an assocation with ireland, but they are not irish, thats the simple fact at the end of the day, no matter how much you and others want them t o be irish they won't be.

man u are a business as are celtic, they are a plc. no difference, but they are moving the same way and are marketing on a world level, why do you think they are playing each other in america during the summer, for the good of their health ???

**gspain** · 27/05/2003, 3:30 PM

Interesting text to the Newtalk 106 saturday sports show - missed most of the discussion but it was obviously along the line sof "hope celtic win the elague tomorrow" and some texted in

"It will be a great day for the Eircom League - Rangers will win the treble".

The presenter missed the point completely eg the Eircom League bit.

Personally I have no problem with anybody supporting any British club although I would prefer if they supported an Irish side first.

I do have a problem with club fans bringing their allegiances and bigotry to the national team reference the recent booing and sectarian abuse of Rangers players.

**max power** · 27/05/2003, 3:46 PM

yeah i was at the norway game and Flo got booed every time he touched the ball, i could understand if it was a club game and he had played for both teams, but as usual the Celtic fans showed themselves for what they really are.

on another topic my sister was at work yesterday and a celtic fan asked her what is she thought of celtic not winning the spl, she said she didn't follow them and the person in question called secterian........to me that sums up the whole argument, foolish childish behaviour.

**parnell ranger** · 27/05/2003, 3:56 PM

you said it your argument is foolish childish behaviour,btw hating a club or people for little or no reason isnt sectarianism its just daft.

**max power** · 27/05/2003, 4:07 PM

Originally posted by parnell ranger
you said it your argument is foolish childish behaviour,btw hating a club or people for little or no reason isnt sectarianism its just daft.

no no no he called my sister sectarian for not supporting celtic, thats childish, i forgot to say after this he uttered the famous words, i suppose your a rangers supporter then....not thats daft and hearing it again and again makes it worse..

**Scotsman** · 27/05/2003, 4:42 PM

to associate ALL fans in the same category of one team is silly.

I'll give you an example - I was in a pub in Edinburgh and was talking with this Hibs fan and Hearts fan - They were having a heated debate and I was asked who I supported being a "Weegie".

When I stated I was a Celtic fan the Jambo said "Ooh you must be a Catholic then!!"

This was said in a derogative manner - The Hibs fan was fine with me.

This indicates that NOT just Celtic fans are bigoted.

Alot of Rangers fans are bigoted, but not all.

To say all would be unfair.

Alot of Celtic fans are bigoted, but to say all would be unfair.

Alot of people have short memories in this area I feel.

Anyway bigotry has no place and is getting stamped out in my eyes.

My in-laws are Rangers season holders and they always buy me Celtic clothes, goodies etc..

They go to Celtic shops as well for me.

I have drank from Don's Rangers mug and he has drank from my Celtic mug.

Ta

**max power** · 27/05/2003, 4:49 PM

bit you never hear this about any other clubs, only rangers and celtic, they take it to another level, religion, where your from, irish history ( yes irish ).

at the end of the day its a football club and a football match and its no more than that.

**Scotsman** · 27/05/2003, 5:07 PM

In footballing terms you're correct.

Celtic and Rangers need to shed this baggage.

Alot of clubs have other issues

**max power** · 27/05/2003, 5:11 PM

other issues don't bother me, all that bothers me is the attitude of celtic fans in ireland, celtic are not irish.

**Gary** · 27/05/2003, 6:45 PM

threads merged again.

Question to Scotsman

Right, i have no doubts that you are a passionate Celtic fan. Afterall, why should you not be, they are a local club of yours.

But last week, in the build up to the UEFA cup final, there was constant references to the amount of irish people who had tickets for the game in Seville. How would it make you feel, or a Parkhead season ticket holder feel, if you were not able to get a ticket due to the allocations given to Irish Celtic "fans"?

Personally, it made me cringe seeing all these morons spending �0000s to get there, to see a scottish team lose. But i know, as a Cork City fan, that if i were locked out of a city game because some l�ngers from, say, Brighton had taken a load of tickets, id be fairly ticked off.

**patsh** · 27/05/2003, 8:07 PM

Originally posted by the dj

Originally posted by the dj
were "glasgow" celtic ever a team registered in ireland, the answer is no, they are not irish!!!!!

see ex pat irish, no longer in ireland, if your can't see why i hate the club you've just written it above, they are not irish , support man united and they are not irish and i've never said they were and i would never tell someone to follow them either

Celtic were not "registered in ireland" so you hate them because they are not Irish?
So you hate every club outside the Republic of Ireland??
I'm sorry I really can't see any sense in that.

Originally posted by the dj
you said it face they have an assocation with ireland, but they are not irish, thats the simple fact at the end of the day, no matter how much you and others want them t o be irish they won't be.

man u are a business as are celtic, they are a plc. no difference, but they are moving the same way and are marketing on a world level, why do you think they are playing each other in america during the summer, for the good of their health ???

Is this in answer to my post?
I',m sorry if it's not but
If so, as regards the first paragraph:

"how much you and others want them t o be irish they won't be."
Who wants them to be Irish ??
Me ??
I have never, ever heard, read or been told that Celtic FC wants to be Irish.
Do you hate Celtic, because of something which has never happened?

As for the second paragraph, I don't understand what you are trying to say.

**Scotsman** · 28/05/2003, 7:37 AM

I can understand both sides of the debate - Let's look at the facts and see if we can make sense of some of the issues.

Celtic FC was started by an Irish priest.

Started to help the poor in Glasgow.

Called Celtic so that Irish and Scots could support them.

With Celtic being started with an Irishman and alot of Irish immigrants in Glasgow following Celtic there is a strong Irish link.

I would say Celtic are a Scottish team with strong Irish links - Others may look at Celtic and say their Irish.

It depends on your outlook I suppose - Geographically their Scottish and were registered in Scotland.

I like the fact that Scots and Irish suport Celtic - Personal opinion.

With regards to the Irish supporters in Seville - What must be taken into consideration is that the majority would be season ticket holders and for them to not get a ticket would be awful.

If the tickets go to genuine fans then no Celtic fan can argue with that.

Ta

**sadloserkid** · 28/05/2003, 10:25 AM

Well you can't leave out Villa there with McGrath/Houghton/Staunton/Farrelly/Cascarino (they can't help it that he was poor)/ Kinsella...

And to give Celtic their due Conor, you have to include McCarthy and Chris Morris too. And Cascarino again (they can't help it that he was poor!) And Brady had a spell as boss too.

**patsh** · 28/05/2003, 11:57 AM

Conor SLK you are both right.
As I said before, I have no particular interest in Celtic, but what I don't understand, and what nobody has explained here is why they hate the Celtic football club.
There are a lot of reasons why the irish fans of the club are detested, which is fair enough, but I can't see what the club itself has done to be hated.

I have no interest at all in Man U, but have often felt like strangling one or two of their "fans" here in Cork. I can, however, see the difference between them and the club.

I absolutely detest Moses and his gang of pre-pubescent scuts, but hardly blame Cork City FC for their behaviour.

**Scotsman** · 28/05/2003, 12:06 PM

The Old Firm in general have a poor record at playing any Scots also.

It might be and it might not be a marketing issue with Celtic.

I believe however Celtic care for all their Fans - Scottish/Irish/American....

Only Celtic Fc would know that.

Rangers also have alot of Irish fans but have NO Irish connection.

We all know why this is.

The situation with the Old Firm is that they are institutions and the fans demand success at all times and alot of the youth don't play as result of this.

Catch 22.

Scotland will see alot more youth players getting their chance now as that's the road we'll have to take - We need to get back to the days of Auld.

Ta