James McCarthy M free agent b.1990

**Crosby87** · 26/05/2011, 11:42 AM

So with all this said and the links of the last couple of pages, gun to your head, will he be in the June 4th Squad or not?

**SwanVsDalton** · 26/05/2011, 11:44 AM

No. He's 'injured'. If he was to turn up, it'd be a tacit admission he and Wigan lied.

**Duggie** · 26/05/2011, 11:48 AM

Originally Posted by Crosby87

So with all this said and the links of the last couple of pages, gun to your head, will he be in the June 4th Squad or not?

who knows but i wont be annoyed with trap if he isnt, he more than likely wouldnt play anyway. maybe if hes left out for a few games he might answer his phone next time.

**DannyInvincible** · 26/05/2011, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by elroy

Lets cut to the chase here. McCarthy isnt injured and wasnt injured either if you ask me. That was a BS story created by Wigan. Why he hasnt travelled over I dont know. Is it because of the end of season celebrations, a want not to play against Scotland or a dislike of Trap or even worse apathy towards playing for Ireland.

I dont know. But personally Im starting to think this young lad has been a lot more hassle than his worth so far. Not responding to the calls is ridiculous, not to mention rude and arrogant. If he and the others wanted an extra couple of days before coming over, the least they could have done is requested so, im sure it wouldve been accomodated.

Would we settle for that though? I know he pulled out altogether rather than asking for a few extra days of rest, but Stokes calling in "tired" has pretty much finished him with the fans.

One thing that seems pretty clear by now is that Wigan are a club hostile to the "unnecessary nuisance" of international football. No doubt, Martinez has an influence on McCarthy as his manager and will try his best to keep such a valuable asset to Wigan as far away from international football as possible.

**Planners** · 26/05/2011, 2:25 PM

would you blame a player for not turning up for the standard of football would be hard to motivate any body to play.the football is shocking.

**kev mcq** · 26/05/2011, 2:35 PM

Originally Posted by Planners

would you blame a player for not turning up for the standard of football would be hard to motivate any body to play.the football is shocking.

Yeah cause Wigan are just fantastic aren't they?

**Planners** · 26/05/2011, 2:47 PM

wigan are no arsenal but the football we play is as bad as i have ever seen.we are gone back to early 90 with this style of football sure the fans are not enjoying it thats way no body turns up and i dont think many watch this rubbish on tv.who would you compare us to not many teams use this style.

**Charlie Darwin** · 26/05/2011, 3:05 PM

We've played some OK football in recent matches. Since the run-around we got against Russia I think there's finally been a realisation we need to play with the ball at out feet rather than the opposition's for 89 minutes.

**cufc champions** · 26/05/2011, 3:11 PM

While against very poor opposition tuesday night some of the interplay in midfield and link up to the strikers was excellent although i would prefer if Keane showed to feet in stead of looking for balls over the top everytime which are hard to pull of at that that level. Hopefully a decent performance v Scotland Sunday will set us up for a much needed away win v Macedonia.

**weldoninhio** · 26/05/2011, 3:45 PM

If one player breaks ranks you can blame the player, when this many do it you have to wonder what the manager is doing to make so many young men not want to even bother showing up for an international!!!

**Planners** · 26/05/2011, 3:57 PM

i agree something not right within the squad why would players work so hard to gain international caps and then not show up i dont think our manager has much trust in this bunch of players and i think they all know this and thats why they dont enjoy playing for this manager sure we would all love to play at this level you would be devasted to get there and then have a manager ruin it with rubbish football and an old school attitude.

**DannyInvincible** · 26/05/2011, 4:01 PM

Originally Posted by Planners

i agree something not right within the squad why would players work so hard to gain international caps and then not show up i dont think our manager has much trust in this bunch of players and i think they all know this and thats why they dont enjoy playing for this manager sure we would all love to play at this level you would be devasted to get there and then have a manager ruin it with rubbish football and an old school attitude.

... And breathe.

**SwanVsDalton** · 26/05/2011, 4:04 PM

Originally Posted by weldoninhio

If one player breaks ranks you can blame the player, when this many do it you have to wonder what the manager is doing to make so many young men not want to even bother showing up for an international!!!

Sexual abuse?

Originally Posted by Planners

i agree something not right within the squad why would players work so hard to gain international caps and then not show up i dont think our manager has much trust in this bunch of players and i think they all know this and thats why they dont enjoy playing for this manager sure we would all love to play at this level you would be devasted to get there and then have a manager ruin it with rubbish football and an old school attitude.

I don't know - I believe Trap could find a suitably skilled Italian tailor to hide the tail, but does he have enough hair to comb over his horns?

**Planners** · 26/05/2011, 4:04 PM

...cheers nearly collapsed..you wonder why we care so much

**lionelhutz** · 26/05/2011, 4:09 PM

McCarthy wouldn't have started in Macedonia anyway. We should really be discussing the players who are in the running to play. Who will start centre mid? I'd say he'll go with Gibson and Whelan again. I don't think Andrews is good enough and he doesn't seem to trust Fahey in the middle, although I would love to see Fahey with Whelan.

**tricky_colour** · 26/05/2011, 4:48 PM

Originally Posted by Planners

wigan are no arsenal but the football we play is as bad as i have ever seen.we are gone back to early 90 with this style of football sure the fans are not enjoying it thats way no body turns up and i dont think many watch this rubbish on tv.who would you compare us to not many teams use this style.

I enjoyed the 5 goals!!

**Sullivinho** · 26/05/2011, 4:48 PM

Originally Posted by Planners

would you blame a player for not turning up for the standard of football would be hard to motivate any body to play.the football is shocking.

The weather's been fairly ****e here for the past week or so. If it doesn't improve by the weekend...I'm done being Irish. Enough is enough.

**Jinxy** · 26/05/2011, 6:10 PM

Originally Posted by weldoninhio

If one player breaks ranks you can blame the player, when this many do it you have to wonder what the manager is doing to make so many young men not want to even bother showing up for an international!!!

I'd disagree to be honest.
I think the desire to play for 'your' country we used to take for granted just isn't there amongst some of the younger players.
They'll play alright, but only on their terms.

**DannyInvincible** · 26/05/2011, 11:53 PM

Some really alarmist and presumptious comments here lately. Needless really. I've no reason to doubt that international football is still the pinnacle of most footballers' careers. Why would you say otherwise? You'll always have an idiot or two like Stephen Ireland or, most lately, Anthony Stokes, but they're exceptions to the norm more than anything. Hasn't the history of the Netherlands team, for example, has been littered with silly spats and exiles down through the years or am I overstating it slightly? It's not a new phenomenon regardless. As for some alleged problem with Trapattoni's persona being the root cause of these no-shows, I wouldn't really give that much weight. The current friendlies were badly-timed. McCarthy and Wilson might actually be injured if we're to give them the benefit of the doubt. McCarthy's club and his manager have appeared hostile to the notion of international football in the past and are obviously keen to keep him well away from "needless friendlies" whilst he still remains one of their most valuable assets. I'd give more weight to these as possible factors or reasons for the players non-appearance than something being wrong with Trapattoni. As for Wilson, I'm prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt for now as, considering his position, it would be suicidal for him to feign injury when these friendlies give him the chance to get a foot into that left back slot that'll need filling for the next few years to come once Kilbane hangs up his boots.

**SwanVsDalton** · 26/05/2011, 11:55 PM

Originally Posted by DannyInvincible

Some really alarmist and presumptious comments here lately. Needless really. I've no reason to doubt that international football is still the pinnacle of most footballers' careers. Why would you say otherwise? You'll always have an idiot or two like Stephen Ireland or, most lately, Anthony Stokes, but they're exceptions to the norm more than anything. Hasn't the history of the Netherlands team, for example, has been littered with silly spats and exiles down through the years or am I overstating it slightly? It's not a new phenomenon regardless. As for some alleged problem with Trapattoni's persona being the root cause of these no-shows, I wouldn't really give that much weight. The current friendlies were badly-timed. McCarthy and Wilson might actually be injured if we're to give them the benefit of the doubt. McCarthy's club and his manager have appeared hostile to the notion of international football in the past and are obviously keen to keep him well away from "needless friendlies" whilst he still remains one of their most valuable assets. I'd give more weight to these as possible factors or reasons for the players non-appearance than something being wrong with Trapattoni. As for Wilson, I'm prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt for now as, considering his position, it would be suicidal for him to feign injury when these friendlies give him the chance to get a foot into that left back slot that'll need filling for the next few years to come once Kilbane hangs up his boots.

Good post DI, but I doubt it's worth it...