QuoteWait til he's dead though and see what he's really made of... Injury, pah!Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
So has Alan Byrne, the FAI's doctor, amended the original diagnosis he made upon seeing the scans that McCarthy's injury wasn't serious enough to keep him out or what? Has McCarthy actually sustained an injury that will keep him out for three or four weeks?
Wait til he's dead though and see what he's really made of... Injury, pah!
DID YOU NOTICE A SIGN OUTSIDE MY HOUSE...?
From the Irish Times:
Trapattoni knew more than he revealed on Monday, because what was received the previous night (Sunday) was a text from Wigan claiming the ankle injury was sustained during the 1-0 win over Stoke City, of which McCarthy played 90 minutes, and a scan would follow.
“The Irish team doctor responded that evening to ask when the scan would be carried out,” explained an extraordinarily specific FAI communiqué circulated during the game, “and Wigan replied that they would send it the following day (Monday). On Monday at 6.37pm the Irish team doctor received an email from Wigan with a scan which showed no evidence of significant injury. At 6.39pm the Irish team doctor replied to ask when the player would be reporting.
“No response has been received since and the FAI has written to Wigan today (Tuesday) regarding the matter.”
The mystery here is why didn't Trap enlighten the public on Monday about the news from Wigan sent the previous night? The official line then was that neither Wigan or McCarthy has made any contact. The FAI statement issued above on Tuesday contradicts that account given on Monday.
This statement only emerged after Martinez had confirmed McCarthy's injury in the Wigan press and said the FAI 'were already well aware' of it.
Republic of Ireland the ongoing reality series. Part 11.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/t...ct-155793.htmlAddressing the FAI’s querying of Wigan’s medical assessment of McCarthy, Tardelli said: "It’s not that they (the FAI) didn’t believe him but the scan which they received didn’t give a clear sign of a bad injury or a difficult injury. What we are saying is he could have come in (and been assessed by the FAI’s medical staff) and then gone back to his club."
But then he quickly moved on to what, as far as the Irish management is concerned, is regarded as the heart of the matter.
"The problem with James McCarthy is not if he comes or not, the problem is the behaviour," he said. "Mary O’Brien (of the FAI’s International Department) sent him the message and he never answered. Mary O’Brien is a woman who works for the FAI.
"She needs respect. Also you (the media) need respect. Why you ask me always about James McCarthy? Ask James McCarthy. We respect allplayers. We deserve respect like the Irish people, the journalists, the FAI and Mary O’Brien. Giovanni and I went to Wigan in a car, a three hour journey (to meet McCarthy).
"We spoke with James. I think the FAI, Giovanni, me, we need all Irish players. James McCarthy has a problem, he has an injury. The season for James McCarthy was very hard. He played with the problem in his ankle. I believe him, I believe(Anthony) Stokes, I believe the other players. But sometimes it’s possible to come here to be assessed by the doctor and then go back. "For us, there isn’t any problem."
Tardelli insisted that this week’s controversy does not mean that the Ireland management team will not call up the players concerned again. However, by emphasising the commitment of the players who have been in camp, he implied that the missing men will have their work cut out to make up lost ground, "If McCarthy, Waters and Wilson come here and are injured, and others come in and do well, then we must decide," he said. " If (Stephen) Ward plays well, scores a goal, why must I pickWilson? I will pick the player who is better at that moment. But every player has a future in the Ireland team."
"We lost because we didn't win"- Ronaldo
Maybe the FAI impose their own obligations upon players when it comes to medical examination, but there's a bit in this article about the actual obligations upon players under FIFA's regulations when it comes to such examination: http://www.examiner.ie/ireland/fai-s...#ixzz1NQ2NnD9p
Am I correct in assuming that McCarthy's reported non-communication with the FAI for a couple of weeks is no longer an issue then given that it is now accepted by the FAI that they received word from Wigan on Sunday evening, a day before Trapattoni strangely alleged the FAI hadn't received contact for quite some time; that the issue now is whether the injury is actually genuine and whether he should have travelled to Dublin regardless of scans in Wigan or not to undergo an assessment with the FAI's doctor? Or has Tardelli effectively acknowledged that the injury is genuine but is still arguing that McCarthy should have seen the FAI doctor nevertheless?Annex One of FIFA’s ‘Regulations on the Status and Transfer of Players’ states that any injured player "shall, if the national association so requires, agree to undergo a medical examination by a doctor of that association’s choice".
But it then immediately follows that "if the player so wishes, such medical examination shall take place on the territory of the association at which he is registered".
As such, the burden of obligation is open to interpretation.
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Dumb article. Players not returning calls or texts is a lack of class.
Of course there's common sense in letting players rest after a hard season, but coming over to a posh hotel beside the sea isn't hard work. They can train and play according to their state of fitness and well being. Trap could or should have given some players slack to arrive late. But blanking the manager and the FAI is the real lack of class.
Beat me to it Stuttgart88. Terrible article. The issue is a lack of common courtesy on the part of the players.
I would argue that this was as "proper" a game as any, even if there is a glitzy Champions League final coming up at the weekend, whatever the relevance of that to us is. This guy appears to be justifying players "turning their backs" on Ireland after "long seasons" in a "cut-throat, professional game", even, it would appear, if they were not injured, as he gives no mention to that possibility. It's essential that our players play and spend as much time as possible together, especially now as we've an extremely important Euro qualifier coming up against Macedonia in Skopje on Saturday week. Fair enough, the timing of this round of games was poorly organised but the Wolves contingent had no problems coming over and performing fantastically. They'd had a relegation dog-fight on Sunday as well.
Would Ferguson be so protective if his players failed to show up for training and, as he understood, without explanation? I do acknowledge that Wigan contacted the FAI on Sunday but it appears Trapattoni wasn't the slightest bit aware of this during the Monday press conference for whatever reason. From his perspective, he had a right to be miffed at the time as it would have been his belief that McCarthy was ignoring him.[Trapattoni] has developed a habit of late of sounding off about his players in the media and a compliant press, who appear in awe of him because he is Italian, give him an open forum. Look at Sir Alex Ferguson as a comparison. He won’t take any criticism about his players. He gets that loyalty that Trappatoni appears not to.
I'll ignore the silly comment accusing the FAI of "poaching" and "openly approaching" northern players bar rejecting it as I don't want to be the one who takes another topic off course.
Last edited by DannyInvincible; 26/05/2011 at 7:15 AM.
Not sure if there's any extra info here or if it was already out there and has been mentioned: http://www.sportinglife.com/football...D=eire&BID=251
Trapattoni's assistant coach Marco Tardelli attempted to clarify the situation on Wednesday but, in a fractious press conference, he achieved little of the sort with some unclear statements.
The Italian said: "Every player has a future in the Irish team. Why not? The problem with James McCarthy was that the message was never answered.
"I don't know if there is an injury or not - I believe he is injured.
"He is a young player and he wants to come here to play, but maybe he is injured. We believe him. Giovanni never doubted there was an injury.
"It is not that they didn't believe it but the scan we received didn't give a clear sign of a bad injury.
"He could have come, been assessed and then gone back to his club."
Daniel McDonnell highly critical of McCarthy and Wilson!
http://www.independent.ie/sport/socc...e-2658230.html
A YBIG'er is saying he's available for selection on Sunday. He's a known troll though, goes by the name, The Muppet. Make of that what you will.
Here they come! It’s the charge of the “Thanks” Brigade!
This is a source of much of my confusion too. Trap was either unaware of Wigan's communication (which likely means someone at the FAI fudged up) or he deliberately ignored it, probably on the basis of 'if the player doesn't turn up to be assessed or doesn't talk directly, then he's absent'. It may also be partly a case of calling Wigan's bluff - with Trap downright annoyed at the no-show, he probably refused to believe the injury until he saw it for himself.
Either way I don't really see how people can discredit Trap for this - we shouldn't put up with this kind of nonsense from players. Sure the game was badly timed, but we have a crucial qualifier in just over a week. If anyone has a desire to be involved in that game, they should have been here. And as Stutts mentioned, it's downright disrespectful and a real lack of class they seemingly didn't let anyone know.
Ou-est le Centre George Pompidou?
In the Examiner Taerdelli is saying that the real problem was McCarthy not responding to Mary O'Brien's efforts to co-ordinate travel plans.
It seems that Walters is off the hook, but definitely finished for the season.
Lets cut to the chase here. McCarthy isnt injured and wasnt injured either if you ask me. That was a BS story created by Wigan. Why he hasnt travelled over I dont know. Is it because of the end of season celebrations, a want not to play against Scotland or a dislike of Trap or even worse apathy towards playing for Ireland.
I dont know. But personally Im starting to think this young lad has been a lot more hassle than his worth so far. Not responding to the calls is ridiculous, not to mention rude and arrogant. If he and the others wanted an extra couple of days before coming over, the least they could have done is requested so, im sure it wouldve been accomodated.
The deliberate non communication from McCarthy before the game is an issue but not a hanging offense on its own.
That was followed by his club sending inconclusive scans, followed by more deliberate non-communication from McCarthy.
No wonder there was a level of deep skepticism on this side. Whatever the issue between player and management, there has to be trust established and James is still on probation since previous times.
In his Indo article O'Donnell goes onto blame Trap for
'In the past, Trapattoni was to blame for some confusing public statements which could have been solved by making an attempt to contact the player directly.
Stubbornly, he refused to do so, until the February circus over his international allegiance got out of hand. Trapattoni broke from his usual modus operandi to fly from Italy to sort things out.´
Quite frankly, I thought O'Donnell's analysis was bull at the time and more so now in the light of McCarthy's continued taciturnity after Trap and Tardelli met McCarthy and the game against Macedonia.
geysir, this is what happens when Daniel O' Donnell writes football articles!
ya its simple you get called over you turn up or at worst make call to say why in person. if he didnt want to play against scotland then why didnt he go join up with them in the first place. hes qualified now for us so hes making it very awkward for himself..that or he will do a stephen ireland on it and just end up staying away.
He's about as injured as you and I are. I reckon it was decided that he'd be nowhere near these end of season games. Martinez's "He'll decide in the summer" line comes back to mind. James headed off to dance on tables and whatnot, safe in the knowledge that his club would handle any 'communication' with the FAI but things got fudged and Ireland ultimately called Wigan's bluff on the issue. I find it hard to believe that McCarthy himself would just completely blank the FAI and expect there wouldn't be any issues over that, especially after the hullabaloo earlier in the year. I'd like to know if the FAI have a direct line of contact with him or are still going through Wigan who never struck me as the most helpful of intermediaries.
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