QuoteYeah, assume there must have been a scan today but can't find anything. Hopefully no news is good news.
Didn't hear any more about it yet.Originally Posted by Diggs246
It will be a first and a very welcome one if that man leaving the field injured turns out to be nothing.
Yeah, assume there must have been a scan today but can't find anything. Hopefully no news is good news.
Hopefully it's just a new injury which will heal and not an old injury reawakwning.
The fact that James has travelled to Dublin and will be assessed is really positive. If it was something that would put him in serious doubt for next month, you’d think he wouldn’t have bothered travelling.
My one hope is that Kenny/James don’t needlessly push for his involvement this week as a test for next month if there’s any doubt about his fitness.
https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/cryst...lton-athletic/
It's a really bad bruise that James has picked up. I'm not a doctor but I could think of a more debilitating injury. Train away til Thursday non contact and you for the second game?
he is our best player by a mile. Kenny is correct
Midfielder James McCarthy missed the game against the Addicks due to a calf injury that he suffered in Palace’s previous friendly against Oxford United.
The former Everton man will report for duty with the Republic of Ireland where his fitness will be assessed, but Hodgson does not think the 29-year-old will play for his country.
“It was a nasty bang that he took on the outside of his calf. He hadn’t really recovered for today’s game. He has to go and report to Ireland because they want to have a look at him as well,” the 73-year-old said.
“I’m not certain he’ll be fit even to play for them. He’ll need more time because it was such a bad bruise, such a bad haematoma, that he got on his calf that he’ll be out for a little more time. We won’t know until next week until he’s reported to Ireland and the two doctors have spoken.”
Do the Scots have a Voodoo Doll of James McCarthy ? ?
I've always though McCarthy has been overrated by Irish fans. He's been anonymous at best for Ireland for the majority of his appearances from my recollection and has never lit up any of the Premiership teams he has played for. To sum up a very average player.
I'd rather see Molumby get a game instead to see if he can provide something better. If McCarthy's spot is taken by Hendrick, Arter, Hourihane or Browne I'd be surprised if they performed significantly poorer. They are all much of a muchness with the exception that Hendrick does on occasion seem to have another level to his game that the others don't (but seldom shows it) and Browne is still reasonably young and could get better.
By far our best midfielder. When he plays we dont lose and we tend to win
"tets" do u have stats available on james and our win ratio?
We've been beaten 11 times in his 41 appearances. Often very heavily. We tend to lose with him playing just as much if not more than we tend to lose without him playing.
https://www.transfermarkt.com/james-.../spieler/45333
And not beaten the other 30 times
Look at your link and our big wins. Bosnia, Italy, Germany
guess who is running our midfield in those game..its not Alan Browne or whelo
Been away for a few days with limited internet. Finally getting around to this
Result record for James McCarthy's caps below, along with some other midfielders from the same period for comparison.
Code:Player Caps Wins Draws Losses Glenn Whelan 91 34(37.3%) 40(43.9%) 17(18.6%) Jeff Hendrick 54 20(37.0%) 21(38.8%) 13(24.0%) James McCarthy 41 17(41.4%) 12(29.2%) 12(29.2%) Keith Andrews 35 14(40.0%) 11(31.4%) 10(28.5%) David Meyler 26 12(46.1%) 4(15.3%) 10(38.4%) Paul Green 22 7(31.8%) 10(45.4%) 5(22.7%) Conor Hourihane 17 5(29.4%) 7(41.1%) 5(29.4%) Harry Arter 16 7(43.7%) 6(37.5%) 3(18.7%) Alan Browne 9 2(22.2%) 3(33.3%) 4(44.4%) Eunan O'Kane 7 2(28.5%) 2(28.5%) 3(42.8%)
Those are fairly compelling stats for anyone arguing he’s much of a muchness, thanks Tets.
For anyone who knows the game it’s clear he’s a cut above our other options. If he wasn’t plagued by injuries I believe he’d be playing for a Champions League level club.
He will be an important player for us during the Kenny era, assuming he can stay fit.
It does show he's lost the most, as well as having won the most games. So he's definitely not much of a muchness!
I think there are too many variables to make the comparison. The variables include the manager, the opposition, the time in their career and there's also the fact that Hendrick rarely plays where Whelan or McCarthy might. And McCarthy has not always played where Whelan might. And Whelan never played where Hendrick might.
The biggest takeaway there is that we're less likely to lose a game where Glenn Whelan plays
Or less likely to win a game. Can dress the stats up any which way really. For me it's obvious that McCarthy is the best midfielder we have. He's generally left us wanting a bit more in an Irish shirt though, but then he's been the one who's generally had to compromise his best position when Whelan has been available, which was most of the time.
He's excelled in a few big games where Whelan was injured or dropped, Sweden (alongside the much maligned Paul Green), Germany and Italy come to mind straight away. I agree with Irishfan that calling him much of a muchness compared to our other options is a bit baffling, the likes of Cullen has done zero yet by comparison, and he's clearly more suited to the holding role than Browne, Hendrick, Hourihane, etc.
I think if it was still 2 points for a win and 1 for a draw. That would be v interesting in relation to whelos contribution to success. But it's not. Its 3 points and the win is now better than 2 draws. Does that make sense!!
If Whelan was playing alongside better players (like Duff, Keane, Given, Dunne, etc), then he's going to have a better win rate.
You can't credit Whelan with that.
That alone says nothing. The quality of the opposition and the margin of defeat and/or victory need to be taken into account and McCarthy has been in midfield for all of our heaviest defeats over the last few years with the exception of Denmark. 6-1 at home to Germany, 3-0 away to Germany and 3-0 to Belgium in the Euros where he was particularly atrocious. In all games we were overrun in midfield.
Look at the Crystal Palace forums this year. Most fans were happy to sell him for 6 or 7 million when it was rumoured that Leeds were interested in him and let's be honest Crystal Palace are no world beaters. 7 million for a top quality Premiership midfielder. Really? That represented a loss for the fee they paid for him a year ago btw. The level of delusion on here regarding obviously very limited players never ceases to amaze me.
At least Hendrick offers a goal threat on occasion. With the likes of McCarthy in the team Ireland will always struggle against opposition with a decent midfield.
A separate question is should he be in the team at the moment and I would say he offers less than Hendrick, likely less than Molumby (we can confirm this after a few more appearances) but more than Hourihane. But if Coventry, Cullen, Kilkenny, Taylor or Knight start to impress this season at a decent Championship or Premiership team then I would hope he starts to be phased out of the team. His career has proven him to be a very limited player at both club and International level so what some people are seeing on here I don't know.
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