Clare League 2007/08

**tulla b** · 24/10/2007, 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by shelbourne1904

What constitutes a big club??
How many underage teams do they have?Do you know how many Lifford,Avenue,Fern Celtic,Ennis Town,Newtown ,Newmarket have??

shels it seems to me u ave a chip on your shoulder when ever anything about bunratty is posted. to me a big club is a club that has won 2 premier leagues, a div one title, and 3 cups in the last ten years ( not exactly sure on these). dont think any other club besides avenue can boast this record. that big enough for you.

**papa-j** · 24/10/2007, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by old git

they seem to have 5-6 underage teams on the go .. so parents seem happy enough to let their kids play with newtown.. played under a few managers who went a bit crazy at times but usually forgotten after match .. .. what do you suggest that newtown get rid of this manager because he loses it now and again .. these kids you are talking about were what age 17 / 18 c,mon now they should be well used to getting a bit of abuse ...

The fact that there is one youth team in a town like Shannon says everything about the attitude of young lads towards football today. blaming managers for loosing their heads is a pathetic excuse for players and their parents packing it in or moving clubs.Some of these guys think that they are superstars for just showing up on match day and the parents should have a close look at their little angels before passing the buck to guys that are giving their time up week in week out.

**shelbourne1904** · 24/10/2007, 11:40 AM

Originally Posted by tulla b

shels it seems to me u ave a chip on your shoulder when ever anything about bunratty is posted. to me a big club is a club that has won 2 premier leagues, a div one title, and 3 cups in the last ten years ( not exactly sure on these). dont think any other club besides avenue can boast this record. that big enough for you.

Dont get me wrong.Thats a great achievement as you point out.But at the expense of other clubs who do the ground work.Thats why I asked about who really are the big clubs.Do you know how many titles those clubs Ive listed have won at schoolboy level and even if they hadnt the fact that they put so much in at that level is why the game is still alive and growing here while other clubs do nothing at underage and just pick up the players at junior level with no effort or commitment where it counts.They are the big clubs!

**shanman2** · 24/10/2007, 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by Tony Dorigo

All managers can loose the head occasionally,but what happens down in newtown football club is very often,its not acceptable for a manager to loose the head like this fella does its crazy,parents have noticed this and wont tolerate it by not letting there kids play with this certain club,if a player does bad,why not call him aside,tell him he was unlucky and to keep the head up that he will keep improving if he keeps working hard,not **** a player out of it infront of all other players and spectators,that the poor lad is afraid to touch the ball again because his confidence is gone after verbal abuse,kick it out of the game coz it aint helping any1 improve in theres.

The man you talk of is a soccer man through and through dedicated Newtown man who has sweat blood for not only the young fellas in Shannon but also in Clare. I'd ponder the question of how many of the players are now playing junior soccer in Shannon who he has has an imput in training. When you go give up 4 nights of your week to train the young lads then you deserve the right to comment.

**shelbourne1904** · 24/10/2007, 11:47 AM

Originally Posted by Tony Dorigo

3 players left, shelbourne, and they left because of different issues,I think 1 was because there manager loses to head to easy,couldnt motivate the players due to anger management,if you have a manager like that for scholboys,it doesnt do nothing for the young lads confidence.

REPEAT: "One because he wouldnt pay a CL fine and thought if he signed for another club he would not have to pay it,"

You mean his anger management and the resultant fine at getting sent off for striking a player from the Newmarket club he eventually went to??

**2legged tackle** · 24/10/2007, 11:49 AM

Originally Posted by papa-j

The fact that there is one youth team in a town like Shannon says everything about the attitude of young lads towards football today. blaming managers for loosing their heads is a pathetic excuse for players and their parents packing it in or moving clubs.Some of these guys think that they are superstars for just showing up on match day and the parents should have a close look at their little angels before passing the buck to guys that are giving their time up week in week out.

Well said papa j, Posts as good as this one only come with experiance(old age)

. Maybe Tony, you should have a look at some of these young lads your defending and how it was the three lads(the three superstars of the team) that left to go to Newmarket and how the rest of the team are still with Newtown.
Maybe these "antics" only get to the young lads that feel they don't need to be told when their wrong and the rest feel they can learn from it.

**old git** · 24/10/2007, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by Tony Dorigo

No your dead wrong again old git,there should be no abuse at all in the game,If newtown got rid of this fella it would be like gettig rid of newtown,ive great respect for the man,but just dont agree with his side line antics its not on.

no abuse in game ... do you watch any matches local / league of ireland / even tv games you can see players swear / abuse each other even managers do it ..

**old git** · 24/10/2007, 12:33 PM

Originally Posted by 2legged tackle

Well said papa j, Posts as good as this one only come with experiance(old age)

. Maybe Tony, you should have a look at some of these young lads your defending and how it was the three lads(the three superstars of the team) that left to go to Newmarket and how the rest of the team are still with Newtown.
Maybe these "antics" only get to the young lads that feel they don't need to be told when their wrong and the rest feel they can learn from it.

and i may be wrong but is one of these players now supposed to be signing for park rangers now .. did newmarket manager also shout at him

**papa-j** · 24/10/2007, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by the special 1

i wuldn't call fern celtic or ennis town big clubs.....
in my opinion a club will always be judged on its junior teams..

ye are all mad to point out that lads of 17 or 18 are big enough for verbal abuse so sure enough they are big enough to pick what junior team the play for..
ever come to mind that if ye are the only youth team around that they are only playing wit ye cause there's no one else..

in my opinion a club will always be judged on its junior teams..

ever think that the opinion above results in the scenario below??

ever come to mind that if ye are the only youth team around that they are only playing wit ye cause there's no one else..[/

If this continues then how will the so called big( junior ) clubs field a team in a few years?? I'm sorry to say that imo a few clubs will be unable to field a decent ( if any) junior team in the next 10 years or so.

**smellyfeet** · 24/10/2007, 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by Tony Dorigo

Your dead right special1,its crazy what im reading here,if you ask me everyone of those bloke arguing,are all newtown lads,maybe this site should be called newtown fc instead of clare league.

Sure tony, you started the comment and all your getting is responces to it.

As i said already, different opinion on the matter, TBH i was at the game the other day and if it wasn't for the manager shouting at the players some of them would just tune out and might aswell be watching the game with their parents.My thought on the matter is that some of these lads need to be F..ked out of it now and again because if you talk to them they don't hear you,in one ear and out the other side.

**old git** · 24/10/2007, 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by Tony Dorigo

They left because they werent happy with what was going on and the majority of people wouldnt play with that abuse,being honest can you tell me if you werent happy with a team would you stay?

players will always leave clubs no matter what manager is in charge
players & players / managers do not always get on every club has had experience of players moving on and a lot would be down to player / manager clashes... majority of people would not play with that abuse 11 players on team ... 3 leave = majority of players stayed ..alot of these players probally played all their underage football with newtown and looks like they want to continue playing with newtown ..

**smellyfeet** · 24/10/2007, 1:11 PM

Originally Posted by Tony Dorigo

This is ridiculous,look there a bunch of kids wanting to play football,know one deserves to be f..ked out of it,actually pathetic what ye are trying to say,get it into your head junior football and schoolboy football is totally different,if they tune out,there kids for god sake,stop taking it so serious with young lads,if ye keep goin on the way ye are,kids in this town will lose interest in football,because the likes of ye are taking the fun out of it and its well out of order.

Ok booo hooo. lets agree to disagree

**papa-j** · 24/10/2007, 1:30 PM

Originally Posted by Tony Dorigo

This is ridiculous,look there a bunch of kids wanting to play football,know one deserves to be f..ked out of it,actually pathetic what ye are trying to say,get it into your head junior football and schoolboy football is totally different,if they tune out,there kids for god sake,stop taking it so serious with young lads,if ye keep goin on the way ye are,kids in this town will lose interest in football,because the likes of ye are taking the fun out of it and its well out of order.

who is this "ye" you speak of!!! You have an agenda and its nothing to do with the good of Schoolboy football.

**Young Lad** · 24/10/2007, 1:35 PM

In my opinion it doesn't do any harm to use some choice language at these so called young lads. If i'm not mistaken were at least one of these lads that transfered to newmarket on the newtown junior panel year. He should be big enough and bold enough to take criticism. A point comes at aged 16 or so that if a manager doesn't show whose in charge lads of that age will walk all over him.

**smellyfeet** · 24/10/2007, 1:42 PM

Originally Posted by Tony Dorigo

I'll tell ya what has nothing to do with the good of schoolboy football...having players like jay stretts on the ocar traynor panel..Watching overweight old men tryn to catch a breather every 2 mins...look kid's..this is what you should be aiming for.