wasnt aoghan behan your man who was john whites assistant?used to be involved with mungret regional and possibly wembley in the past as far as i know?definately mungret anyway.Originally Posted by Philbert
Thats those under tens for you little trouble makers, would have thought their dads would have explained that rule to em, well done to the foward for takin advantage though i'd loved to have seen itAnd the standard of abuse we get from some players and management in this town, is disgraceful. SIMPLE as that!!!!!
Take one example i experienced, Refereein this year.
Situation Team taking Goal Kick, Team B defenders are all up at the Half way Line, Leaving Team A striker in the opposition half twenty yards behind the last defender.
Team A Goalkeeper takes goal kick and as soon as they do Team B shout offside, the ball goes straight to the Striker who then heads to goals and scores.
Team B players come running to me start asking(well more shouting) why he wasn't offside and i say you cant be offside from a goal kick.
They start calling me a Bleep Bleep disgrace and i have just made up a rule, the management start abusing me from the side line saying what bleep bleep rule is that never heard of that one before, this went on for at least 5-10 mins.
So what a surprise actually some players in this town who don't know the rules... never thought that was possible
wasnt aoghan behan your man who was john whites assistant?used to be involved with mungret regional and possibly wembley in the past as far as i know?definately mungret anyway.
Seamus Jackson was John White's assistant this season just past. Aoghan Behan used to manage Mungret about 4-5 years ago but he has been managing Kildimo in the Desmond league for the past few seasons.
And the standard of abuse we get from some players and management in this town, is disgraceful. SIMPLE as that!!!!!
Take one example i experienced, Refereein this year.
Situation Team taking Goal Kick, Team B defenders are all up at the Half way Line, Leaving Team A striker in the opposition half twenty yards behind the last defender.
Team A Goalkeeper takes goal kick and as soon as they do Team B shout offside, the ball goes straight to the Striker who then heads to goals and scores.
Team B players come running to me start asking(well more shouting) why he wasn't offside and i say you cant be offside from a goal kick.
They start calling me a Bleep Bleep disgrace and i have just made up a rule, the management start abusing me from the side line saying what bleep bleep rule is that never heard of that one before, this went on for at least 5-10 mins.
So what a surprise actually some players in this town who don't know the rules... never thought that was possible
Well said MikeYou stand up for yourself!We're behind you.Whats your account of the wembley v pike game then?
very intelligent response, wrong but very intelligentand Pike beat wembley 4-1
sorry vapor,got mixed up.always thought that lad was aoghan behan.small baldy lad about 40 ya?he was definately involved with mungret anyway.
was speaking to a lad i know today who is involved with a team in america playing to a similar standard to premier/1a in limerick.he told me there is a rule in the league that a team gets deducted points for every 3 players that they get sent off throughout a season.think its 3 points every time 3 players get a red card for violent conduct etc.
think this would be a very good rule to bring into the junior leagues in town.over the last few seasons there seems to be alot of lads getting sent off for fighting with other players and referees.(e.g wembley v pike game this season)
it might put a stop to half the rubbish that goes on every week and might make teams just get on with the football.
What does everybody think?can any of ye see a rule like this working?I think it would.
oh he'll love that description,you have a way with words halo 16,you're right with him being involved with Mungret,managed them a few years back
whats the league called the MLS,standard here would be slightly better i think,wouldn't be a fan of that rule myself,take points away for man handling a ref alright but for dismissals no,bigger fines and longer bans is what i'd propose
Personally i don't think any rule brought in will make a difference, its the players own responsibility to control his or her emotions.
There is line between frustration and Plain Abuse and sorry but some players don't know how to stop themselves crossing that line.
People mention the rugby secenario how they get respect.. well having the 10 yard rule and reversing penalties make a huge difference in rugby, So players have to be more disciplined but not sure it would have the same effect in soccer unless you can give actual penalties(which would never happen).
Lets call a spade a spade, its a thankless job being a ref.
Ask any limerick soccer player and the response would be
"Jesus i wouldn't do it"
it all boils down to Respect.
So how do we all(meaning everybody not just referees) earn respect?
Well said Ref, the sooner players give more respect the better!
I think the book should be thrown at Wembley to make an example of them. They have been trying to bully ref's for years, the amount of s**t they give officials is a joke. If ref's are consistent in their card giving for dissent etc. maybe players would wake up and respect the man in the middle!
I know this is a little off the point now with regard discipline towards players for abusing refs etc... I totally agree that some players can take it too far protesting and the refs should be protected a lil more...
However can anyone please tell me if refs are allowed to curse at a player such as "Shut your f***ing mouth?" When the player made a half decent challenge, ref blew the whistle for a free and the penalised player asked why they were penalised that was the ref's response!!
Again i am not anti-refs.....just wondering is it acceptable?
wasnt being smart with my post oscar.was just trying to make out if i had the right fella.wasnt trying to offend the man.
not the mls oscar
Respect goes both ways and some referees in town have very little respect for the players and therefore get very little respect in return.
It seems to be the overall view from everyone that the following changes should be made.
1) Change of fixture set up
2) Change of kick off times (ie 1pm/1.30pm etc on Sunday's, to ensure more supporters at games)
3) Change in attitude both from refs and players.
IMO,
Re: 1) All teams should receive 2 sets of fixtures (1st set with games to be played up to xmas and 2nd set with games to be palyed from Jan 1st to the last day of the season), and unless there is a death in either club or your opponent is involved in a cup competetion, then your game will go ahead on that date..............(With no game to be called off due to Oscar Traynor being played unless you have a minimum of 2 players involve in the OT)
Re: 2) All Prem & Div 1A games should kick off at 1.30pm every Sunday (finishing at 3.15/3.30 latest, and still on time to watch any footy on at 4pm on the box)..this will ensure much better support for all clubs (in fairness who would want to get out of bed on one of their days off to watch a game at 10.30 on a Sunday morning).............teams outside the top 2 ldivsions could then play their Sunday games at 10.30 (finishing at 12.15/12.30 latest, with plenty of time to go watch any of the other 2 top division teams play)...............Refs could also ref 2 games a day as they have been doing anyway.
Re : 3) Any player that receives 3 yellow cards, automatically misses the next game.....full stop................this would stop players giving back chat to refs.
These are just suggestions, and I know some of the players involved outside the top 2 divisions will slate me, but at the end of the day, the teams in the top 2 divsions in Limerick are their for a reason.
Last edited by abbeyvale; 27/06/2008 at 10:45 AM.
I would agree with your suggestions.
Also i would have an automatic one match ban for a red. If the same player gets another red 2 game ban next time. 3 reds = 3 game ban for the third red and so on...
Could do something similar with the yellows.
3 yellows = 1 game
6 yellows = 2 games
Abbeyvale,
I totally concur with your foresight but you cannot plan fixtures over an entire season. The first round of league fixtures are not a problem but its when you get into the second round you have deviations due to cup fixtures, FAI, MJC, cancellations etc, its not as atraight forward as many believe. However there is no way a situation such as the farce that is the end of this season in Limerick should have occured, thatis unforgiveable and an insult to our league. More young people should consider taking up administrative roles in Limerick football, there is a preception that it is for older people. Their time has come and gone and its time to move aside in order for football in Limerick to move forward.
thats rich comming from a fairview man Brian, the likes if fairview and pike are at that game longer than anyone else
Bigbird isn't Brian. It's somebody that likes to pretend he is. Sad.
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