QuoteI'm sick of this crap of Keane walking away when in fact he was sent home.
Not over a series of games, but undoubtedly in the two Iran games.Originally Posted by Billsthoughts
I'm sick of this crap of Keane walking away when in fact he was sent home.
Please close this thread.
It has already disintegrated from a "should he be on the list" thread to a "is he a traitor/victim" thread. We're going round in circles as usual.
These are all in the "reasons why he should be on the list" list.
Last edited by shanman2; 09/08/2007 at 3:31 PM. Reason: FOR THE BENEFIT OF THAT LIMERICK CLOWN
Don't disagree that Keane was great for the games he played in and immense against Holland at home but he single handedly didn't get us to Japan/Korea. That's palpable nonsense and it has nothing to with Saipan.
Cameroon had done well in previous tournaments. Not a foregone conclusion that we'd qualify from that group.
Bill, no doubt McCarthy's record when Sunderland got promoted was abysmal but that also ignores that they walked away with the Championship and then got no money to invest in players. What did they expect? His record for Ireland was better than any previous manager, other than Big jack. Hence I dispute the statement that he was the worst manager at the World Cup.
Forget about the performance or entertainment. It's only the result that matters.
To make out he wanted to go home is nonsense. Might i use the mighty Reading as an example of organised management compared to mac carthys shambles. his record with Ireland is great only because the squad we had at the time was probably the best squad Ireland had ever and will ever have....
That makes no sense to me.
well sweeping statements like "worst Manager at WC" or "singlehandedly got us qualification" are always going to ring a tad false. Just saying Macarthy is a limited manager and was even more limited when he was Ireland manager.
and Orasun if you dont want to read the thread dont read it....simple as that.
Fair enough. At least get my name right though
god knows what i have just called ya in japanese monkey boy!
Forget about discussing Saipan, it's irrelevant to this thread, and everyone has their own minds made up about it for years, no one will change their opinion based on this crap talk.
I'd like to depart from opinions for a moment and focus on the facts,
In his playing career, Keane won 7 Premiership Titles, 4 FA Cups, 1 Champions League, 1 World Club Cup, 1 SPL Title, 1 Scottish League Cup and 66 caps for Ireland.
Besides that, he was the FAI 'player of the tournament' at USA1994 and must have captained his country more than 20 times. He also won the rarely achieved double of the PFA and Soccer Writers player of the year awards in England.
Furthermore, he captained Manchester United for 8 years (during the most succesful spell of any English club in history), and is regarded by all and sundry as one of the very, very best players in the history of the Premiership (rivalled only by the likes of Shearer, Henry and Cantona).
In light of this record, to suggest that Keano is anything other than one of Ireland's greatest ever sportsmen (let alone footballers) is just nonsense.
Alex Ferguson reckons Keane's the best player he's ever worked with, Ruud Van Nistelrooy reckons Keane was the greatest player he ever played with, but the FAI consider him not even worthy of mention in their list of so-called Irish greats. It beggars belief!!!!
Whatever your opinions are regarding Saipan, is there really anyone on this board that thinks Mark Kennedy is more worthy of inclusion as an 'irish great' than Roy Keane???
Well, I'm neither a Corkonian or a Man Utdwegian but my allegiance was definately with the man who stood up against minnowism and could see the greater picture...pity about the timing though
Happy birthday Roy...
Well put.
KoemansWell, I'm neither a Corkonian or a Man Utdwegian but my allegiance was definately with the man who stood up against minnowism and could see the greater picture...pity about the timing though
Happy birthday Roy...
As I said MOST PEOPLE , now I know you don't fall into the above list
OOHH yes I will deal with you later young chap with this back chat sort of thing .
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Alex Ferguson reckons Keane's the best player he's ever worked with, Ruud Van Nistelrooy reckons Keane was the greatest player he ever played with, but the FAI consider him not even worthy of mention in their list of so-called Irish greats. It beggars belief!!!!
Are you George Hamilton in Disguise!!!
"The cat is in it, but it's open - and it's a wild cat"
Had you aspirations of playing in goal?
Quoting years at random since 1975
"McCarthy's shambles"
As for the "best squad we ever had" = Ian Harte, Gary Breen, Matt Holland, Niall Quinn at the end of his career, Kilbane etc compared to previous squads that never qualified or even got to a play off. I don't think so. We had a very average squad with outstanding players in Given and Roy Keane and good players in Finnan, Duff and Robbie Keane.
I wouldn't be Mick Mc's greatest fan but attempts to put him down to glorify Keane irritate me. Anyone who watched the documentary about the campaign which ended in the defeat in the play off in Belgium would realise how Mick gave the job 100% and the tears he shed at the end of that game I found very moving.
Forget about the performance or entertainment. It's only the result that matters.
Has anyone got a tissue????? ]"McCarthy's shambles"
As for the "best squad we ever had" = Ian Harte, Gary Breen, Matt Holland, Niall Quinn at the end of his career, Kilbane etc compared to previous squads that never qualified or even got to a play off. I don't think so. We had a very average squad with outstanding players in Given and Roy Keane and good players in Finnan, Duff and Robbie Keane.
I wouldn't be Mick Mc's greatest fan but attempts to put him down to glorify Keane irritate me. Anyone who watched the documentary about the campaign which ended in the defeat in the play off in Belgium would realise how Mick gave the job 100% and the tears he shed at the end of that game I found very moving.
the work of a footballing genious Team From To Games Won Lost Drawn
Wolves 21-07-2006 Present 53 23 17 13
Sunderland 12-03-2003 06-03-2006 147 63 58 26
Ireland 01-03-1996 05-11-2002 48 22 13 13
Millwall 18-03-1992 04-02-1996 203 74 59 70
Owls fan
What documentary is that ? And do u have it? or can you buy it online ?
think it was called macarthys park
it was dull as dishwater....hardly a great campaign.....
think it had stan saying something like "WE DONT GET BEAT" in it....
dunno if it was the same guy who presided over the thrashings at the hands of holland and germany
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