I'm talking about the specific stop, not the route.Originally Posted by macy
It would make absolutely no difference if that bus lane was opened up - the pinches on that road are at either end, so opening the bus lane and/or increasing the speed limit would just get you to the back of a traffic jam sooner
At the M50 end, is it not 2 lanes anyway - bus lane ends and both lanes are all traffic? Other end it would get you around the roundabouts and passed that rat run turn off that is always backed up at least iirc?
If you attack me with stupidity, I'll be forced to defend myself with sarcasm.
Same difference - opening the bus lane would just get you to the 2-lane queue quicker. "Pinch" was the incorrect word to use though...I meant 'hold-up'
You could be right - I haven't been there for about a year. My recollection is that the road splits into 3 at the other end - one left turn and two onto the roundabout - so again opening the bus lane wouldn't make a huge difference.Other end it would get you around the roundabouts and passed that rat run turn off that is always backed up at least iirc?
you are missing the whole point here. by linking galway and cork you also would link in limerick, ennis and perhaps even shannon airport. imagine going to shannon airport by train. or reducing commuters from Gort to Galway by giving them a train service. Or those who commute from Ennis to Limerick. Or commuters to Cork City. an Oranmore stop could also provide a link between Galway airport (obviously shuttle bus for the 2 or 3 miles from Oranmore to Carnmore) and Shannon and perhaps a link could be provided from Cork airport to Cork city.
CIE should be offering this service full stop. there are very few viable alternatives to getting to and from work in this country than by car. this has to change. a rail corridore from Cork to Galway would be beneficial and a start in the right direction.
the citylink story is not a good one as me like many others do not like busses as they are slower than travelling by car, stop too often for my liking, are restrictive and very uncomfortable. if there is any other option than bus i take it.
I for one hate sitting in traffic but have to every morning and evening as there is no other way for me to get to work. I sit in my car in traffic for 1 hour every morning and then pay to park my car for the day (i don't move it all day) before climbing into it again to sit in traffic for another hour on the way home. were i to get a bus i would be the same amount of time but less comfortable and have to walk for about 10 mins to get friom the bus stop to work and again from the bus stop to my house. if there was a train the journey would take 5 or 10 minutes. 10 minute walk to work from train station and a 5 minute drive from the station to my house on the way home!!!
BRING FORTH THE TRAINS..............
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The differences in public transport provided in Dublin North & Dublin South are fairly clear. If you live near the sea on the south side you have a lot of options relative to other areas.
Why is only new areas of Dublin are being provided with shiny new transport options? i.e. they prefer to extend the Luas out to the countryside that provide transport to in more established suburbs where better density... Maybe no Developers willing to pay for in older areas...
Or it's easier to run a train line through a new development than add one to an existing one.
It's 2 lanes now at the Clonshaugh roundabout I think(before the M50 ROUNDABOUT).
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I agree it would be good to have a rail link to Shannon, there are no tracks there at present i dont think so it would be a big enough project but it could be done i suppose. Ennis is already linked to Limerick by train. I could see alot of people just driving or getting a taxi out to Galway airport though. It is only about 7 or 8 miles from town and having to change transport at Oranmore would just make it a more complicated journey than it has to be and there are very few flights going through there because of the length of the runway.
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The novelty of the choo choo could wear off quickly if you had to get it every morning.
I can still see alot people thinking ,"if it is taking me as long and is costing me as much to get to work why bother getting the train," a good percentage of people are still going to have to get in the car and drive to the train station anyways and get parking there
It doesnt matter what i think anyways because like i said they are going reopening the thing anyways, http://www.irishrail.ie/projects/wes...l_corridor.asp
If you provide a clean, comfortable, fast, modern, efficient service, it won't. You only have to look at the success of the Luas in Dublin as a prime example of that. But if you don't provide facilities, the current situation will remain as it is.The novelty of the choo choo could wear off quickly if you had to get it every morning
well you didn't read my post then.
Car: 2 hours per day
Bus: 2 hours plus 20 mins walking time
Train: 20 - 25 mins total.
it probably would cost pretty much the same but by gaining an hour and a half each day would nearly equate to an extra working day per week!!
i disagree with you totally about the whole 'novelty' factor. having lived abroad i took public transport to and from work daily as it was cost effective and convienent not to mention quicker. the fact there are no viable alternatives to driving to work for most in this country is ridiculous in this day and age!
Since I'm practically living in three cities at the moment (Dublin, Cork, Limerick) I think I can add a bit in here, as I generally think public transport in this country is the pits, outside of Dublin in particular. I mean most towns outisde of the other main cities have 2-3 buses going back and forth each day, and usually if you are in one of those towns, you can't get to the city, or back to the town after 6pm, sometimes as early as 4pm, which is disgraceful. But here's the problems I've found with Irish Rail, and Bus Eireann
The main problem with Irish Rail at the moment is the cost. For example, I recently was looking into the price of flying from Cork to Dublin, rather than go by train, as IrishRail charge roughly 70euro for the trip, I then found I could fly the same route, on the same days I wanted for 66euro (but sadly I'm a left wing hippie scumbag and can't because of my carbon footprint). I actually enjoy the trip with IrishRail, as I think their modern trains are pretty comfortable, the staff are friendly, adn whilst the price of their food is a rip off I wouldn't complain too much about it, as the price of food when travelling to anywhere, by whatever means, is generally a rip off.
As for Bus Eireann, well having had to travel on them countless times before I have just given up using the bus as an intercity means of transport. They are terrible uncomfortable, in particular any of the less modern buses, the staff are, in general, ****ing obnoxious idiots, the price isn't too good either, and I have also noticed that Bus Eireann only ever build bus shelters on their routes for the buses that are travelling to Dublin, and never coming from Dublin, which ****es me off greatly. In conclusion, if the Irish people ever decide to riot, for whatever reason, my first fire bomb will be going straight in Bus Eireann's HQ window.
Its been a long time since i used the train between Dublin-Cork. Main reasons for this in no particular order:
* It takes 3 hours which is too slow. Car will be quicker as long as not peak time plus gets me door-to-door. More Motorways means car will be getting quicker.
* Schedule - No trains after 8pm, Early morning times not good. Plane has better schedule.
* Cost. Car or Plane is cheaper.
* Unreliable. I have not used the new trains but I have the impression that Train may breakdown & take twice as long for journey.
IMO most people will chose to drive instead of the train as they just too slow. IrishRail went to the trouble of getting new trains but why not get faster trains & also electric as diesel is out dated.
The major cities should have train service while the rest will just have to use buses.
To be honest, bar last Friday, I haven't had much problem with train schedules since the new trains came into operation, and even last Friday we were delayed for three hours because someone had jumped in front of the train and the gardai and other emergency services had to clear us to continue before we could
The trains aren't the problem. They're laying new tracks between Dublin and Kildare to separate commuters from inter city trains and there's a speed restriction during the works.
I believe they would need to upgrade the entire track to increase speeds. BTW By fast I mean 100mph+ so a fast train does not get overtaken by a car.
- When we go to play Cork, the bus has to leave base 6 hours before ko, to ensure we make it on time.
- The last train from Cork-Dublin is at 8.30pm, last from Heuston is at 9pm
- The new Dublin-Cork trains are state of the art, comfortable, modern, and don't break down. What you expect in a wealthy country.
ammmm .... clean water!
On that point, aren't the tracks in Ireland completely the wrong shape to ever bring in anything close to France's 'bullet trains'? France's tracks are laid similar to the Manhatten grid, and so can get up to 100mph as it is practically always along a straight track. From being on a train I presume that Irelands tracks are....bendy....i suppose is the only word I can think of
Yeah, pretty much. Could be fixed in some areas, but there are more pressing issues with the rail network.
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