Gaa/afl

[Macy]

According to reports this morning, the GAA is trying to put rules in place stopping Irish people earning a living by becoming professional sportsmen by trying to ban the AFL from "taking" "their" players.

Is there no end to how low the GAA will stoop? It won't pay the players out of their massive coffers that the players themselves earn for the organisation, and now it wants to stop (the few) players that go to Australia having the chance to live out everyone who's every played sports' dream?

Toned down report here

[G-Man]

According to reports this morning, the GAA is trying to put rules in place stopping Irish people earning a living by becoming professional sportsmen by trying to ban the AFL from "taking" "their" players.

Is there no end to how low the GAA will stoop? It won't pay the players out of their massive coffers that the players themselves earn for the organisation, and now it wants to stop (the few) players that go to Australia having the chance to live out everyone who's every played sports' dream?

Toned down report here

not wanting to be smart, but where are the GAA saying they will ban players going to Australia? They have every right being concerned with AFL clubs coming in and exploiting their drafting system. They even know it themselves.

Australia's International Rules Chairman of Selectors Gerard Healy even commented this year that Ireland is "one of the great untapped areas of (AFL) talent".

However, Healy also conceded it was not fair of the AFL to build a relationship with the GAA while "simply pillaging their stocks of young players".

The lads who have gone to Australia have done really well, and more power to them. Would love to see a few more make it out there too, but there has tobe something done to make rules on it otherwise the AFL will target more and the counties will lose more of their better underage players.

And also, I hate stupid comments about 'massive coffers'. Do you think they just hide the money under their bed or something? Money is being spent down through clubs and back into the game, inluding finishing off paying for Croke Park.

[Macy]

They won't pay the players themselves, but they'll do everything they can to stop someone else paying them. That's the bottom line. As for not having massive coffers - how much did the leinster final, for example bring in? How much went to the players? Managers and Administrators are the only one's to earn a living off the GAA, never mind the players that bring the punters through the turnstiles, and turn out for training 4 or 5 nights a week.

[paul_oshea]

And also, I hate stupid comments about 'massive coffers'. Do you think they just hide the money under their bed or something? Money is being spent down through clubs and back into the game, inluding finishing off paying for Croke Park.

first example of this is training at least 4 people in every club to be able use a defibrillator and to install one in every club at a cost of 1100 euro. How many soccer clubs in the country have these? very few I would guess. G-Man, ye know macy, a blow in from england that hasn't a clue about the G.A.A and just likes WUM-ing.

A lot of players get expenses for intercounty teams, they also get meals and a 2 week holiday every year. A lot of county teams also get a weeks training camp. Not bad for a few nights training a week for half a year?!

[Dodge]

G-Man, ye know macy, a blow in from england

Intersting comment from a man who made the opposit journey. You might also conside you don't know the family history of everyone here

As for the GAA funding clubs, don't make me laugh. I know a lot of people who work tirelessly for local GAA clubs and they don't receive a penny from HQ. Its all pretty much raised by players/parents/volunteers (and good luck to him)

It astounds me that GAA fans never ask where the money is going

[Macy]

I'm surprised you have such a problem with people moving abroad to earn money Paul, which is all the GAA players would be doing. Would you be in favour of banning foreign recruitment agencies too, or indeed Irish recruitment agencies from going abroad?

Not sure what defibrillators have to do with the GAA blocking players from pursuing a career in professional sport?

Your personal attack is beneath contempt, and is an insult to anyone whose family had to emigrate. Maybe even your own children if you choose to stay in London.

[paul_oshea]

I'm surprised you have such a problem with people moving abroad to earn money Paul, which is all the GAA players would be doing. Would you be in favour of banning foreign recruitment agencies too, or indeed Irish recruitment agencies from going abroad?

i was following up to G-Mans respone of "money coffers". It doesnt just disappear into a big well or under beds as he said, and I provided an example, thats all. I never mentioned anything about players emigrating to play AFL?!

Intersting comment from a man who made the opposit journey. You might also conside you don't know the family history of everyone here

I wont go into a thread commentating on the state of polo or cricket for example, when I haven't experienced/played/been involved in it from a young age and know nothing about it, why would I?!

Your personal attack is beneath contempt, and is an insult to anyone whose family had to emigrate. Maybe even your own children if you choose to stay in London.

It had nothing to do with emigration or maybe in your case "migration". I moved across the other way so I couldn't possibly make a comment on your family or any others need to emigrate to find decent paying work.

[Dodge]

I wont go into a thread commentating on the state of polo or cricket for example, when I haven't experienced/played/been involved in it from a young age and know nothing about it, why would I?!

paul_oshea not commenting on cricket




And Paul you've already received an infraction so stop getting personal...

[paul_oshea]

dodge, that has nothing to do with the "state" of cricket as i mentioned above, its to do with a player choosing to play for england. thats all, anybody can read the news ( without having an opinion )!

[Dodge]

You had an opinion on Rugby league...

[Macy]

I wont go into a thread commentating on the state of polo or cricket for example, when I haven't experienced/played/been involved in it from a young age and know nothing about it, why would I?!

Since when has there been no GAA clubs in England for you to make any assumptions about what someone brought up in England played or didn't play when they were younger?

[paul_oshea]

You had an opinion on Rugby league...

i had an opinion about a player again who said the uk and i proved you wrong, based on what was said in the interview

However we used to play that at home, sort of.....

Since when has there been no GAA clubs in England for you to make any assumptions about what someone brought up in England played or didn't play when they were younger?

I didnt, and thats a very valid point Macy, however being involved with a club over here, it is a complete different entity to home. Its a pity really, because I reckon with a little more funding ( in london at least ) and organisation there could be some very good clubs. So were you involved with a club in lancashire, just wondering like?

I feel sorry for the bad blood you feel for the GAA based on whatever it is, you seem to be consumed by it, i assume some bad experience, but as a whole it is a decent and well organised association run by decent people, it just gets my goat that on a football forum, i rarely see you comment on anything other than GAA and your negative feelings toward(s) it, but that could be because i dont look at the bray wanderers or certain other sections

[paul_oshea]

but back on topic, somewhat as i dont really know what the exercise of this thread was really , but I think if a player chooses to go playing AFL then why not, its the players individual right and so it should be. I didn't bother to read the article as I reckon I have a fair idea of what it says but I beleive its a persons individual right to go do whatever they want, the same as its the GAAs right to try to protect its game and its entities in the game i.e. players.

[Dodge]

I didn't bother to read the article

You've argued about it and you haven't even read it yet? Sums you up Paul...

[paul_oshea]

You've argued about it and you haven't even read it yet? Sums you up Paul...

Dodge, i really dont understand what you are getting at. I amn't commenting on the piece, I am making my own observation about the GAAs right and the right of the individual player(s) and I also made a point about money coffers.

Btw, I am not arguing - simply making a point - about anything, seriouslly though what are you trying to get at?

[paul_oshea]

oh and why i havent read it is because i read a similar post from another forum stolensheep.tk that featured on the western people or telegraph, hence i said "i have a fair idea".....

[Dodge]

The point was that Macy posted an article and rather than read it and comment on it, you had a go at him for being birn in England and then defending the GAA about something totally different, whilst at the same time saying you didn't know the reason why the thread was started.

*sigh*

[paul_oshea]

The point was that Macy posted an article and rather than read it and comment on it, you had a go at him for being birn in England and then defending the GAA about something totally different, whilst at the same time saying you didn't know the reason why the thread was started.

I know well why it was started, surely the wink gave that away. It was started just to have another pop at the "GAA", "money cofferes" etc, please read between the lines, its not that difficult

In his first post he mentioned money cofferes, which has no relation to the article, so why wouldnt I comment on that. IF he only wanted to comment on that then he should have. Dodge, you know this is going nowhere and I made my points, dont keep coming back to it with silly things completely unrelated to what was being discussed previously. I dont know what the *sigh* is all about either.

The point about england, fair enough may have come across harsh, but being immersed in it I have a different stand point, and i think all those that have will have the same stand point. It was not meant as a pop at where he grew up and that is the honest truth.

[WeAreRovers]

first example of this is training at least 4 people in every club to be able use a defibrillator and to install one in every club at a cost of 1100 euro. How many soccer clubs in the country have these? very few I would guess. G-Man, ye know macy, a blow in from england that hasn't a clue about the G.A.A and just likes WUM-ing.

A lot of players get expenses for intercounty teams, they also get meals and a 2 week holiday every year. A lot of county teams also get a weeks training camp. Not bad for a few nights training a week for half a year?!

This is precisely the kind of GAA "Aren't we the great lads altogether?" BS that I can't stand. I can't speak for all football clubs but my brother runs 2 LSL teams and they have defibrillators for a couple of years now.

Under LSL rules you have to have them. Difference being the football lads just get on with it while the GAA constantly feel the need to blow their own trumpet.

As for the thread topic and the quasi-racist jibe at Macy, typical GAA attitude.

KOH

[paul_oshea]

As for the thread topic and the quasi-racist jibe at Macy

How could it be racist, he is from an irish family? After all aren't we all supposed to be the same anyhow, i mean those of us in the UK and Ireland?

I can't speak for all football clubs but my brother runs 2 LSL teams and they have defibrillators for a couple of years now.

Thats a fair point, I obviouslly wasn't aware of this, again I only know of 6 clubs in ros that have it ( but i beleive there is a direction in place to get them for all clubs ). As a matter of interest how many people are trained to use them though WAR ( how apt a username might i add ), i beleive you have to be trained to use one....

Btw they arent cheap either.