That article is wrong. The LOI coefficient this year is 1.375, not 2.75, and the 5-year total is 9.451
Latvia, Hungary and Moldova can all still overtake us too. They have teams in the group stages of the respective competitions.
29th is a big difference from 30th in that the 2010 cup winner gets through to Round 3 of the Europa League if both the Europa league winner and champions league winner don't need an extra european place.
So even if our teams didn't make, am I right in thinking that this would be the first time this thread will make it to the group stages?Originally Posted by gspain
Couldn't find mention of it on bert's site, is it 2 for a win and 1 for a draw?
If so the Moldovans would need 2 wins, and the others a win and a draw. [to overtake us]
EL
Group D
Sporting
Heerenveen
Hertha Berlin
FK Ventspils
Group H
Steaua Bucuresti
Fenerbahce
FC Twente
FC Sheriff
CL
Group E
Liverpool
Lyon
Fiorentina
Debrecen
Incidently, what are the chances of rte/tv3/setanta showing a game that would be relevance to fans of irish football? [as opposed to some perceived relevance to people who like to watch football on the telly who happen to be irish]
Last edited by A N Mouse; 29/08/2009 at 11:12 AM.
I have no doubt Irish football will be at the forefront of rte's thoughts when they show the liverpool-debrecen match.
No doubt also that half the country will be cheering on Liverpool because it will help our coefficient
It is 2 points for a win and 1 point for a draw from the group stages on alright, but you still have to remember to divide those points by 4 (the number of entrants that Latvia, Moldova and Hungary have). Therefore in the group stages a win is only worth 0.5 and a draw 0.25 for the national co-efficient. The Latvian side Ventspils would therefore need 4 wins and a draw for Latvia to overtake us this year.
our coefficent is 7.375, our highest level ever, do the same rules (.5 for a draw, 1.0 for a win) apply in the group stages of the Europa League ?
# country 07/08 08/09 09/10 10/11 11/12 ranking teams
33 Ireland 1.000 2.500 1.375 1.000 1.500 7.375 1/ 4
What will this mean in the grand scheme of things say, if Rovers do no better?
I think we have been higher than that.
9.655 in 1983 (which had us in 24th place) is actually our highest ever. Interestingly in 1990 we had 1.332, which put us in 32nd place (last), behind Luxembourg and Malta.
In recent times however our best year was in 2010, with 9.541 points and in 29th place.
Points in the qualifying rounds are only worth half, so as this is the competition proper a win is worth 2.0 points and a draw 1.0 points. Of course Ireland had 4 teams in Europe this year so this would become 0.500 points for a win or 0.250 points for a draw. Good news for Rovers fans is that their own club coefficient achieved for this season alone (so far) is 2.300, this will increase by 2 points for any win and 1 point for any draw.
Do we not get a 1 point added to our co-efficient for getting into the group stages of european football?
I thought it was 2 points! have i been dreaming again?
Rovers are awarded 2 co-efficient points for qualifying but require bettering either one win or two draws in the six games to achieve a greater number of co-efficient points. Each win is worth 2 points and each draw is worth 1 point for the club. It's a peculiar system as a team who achieves just one victory overall and five losses will receive the same number of co-efficient points as a team who loses all six of their ties.
That may be true, but there were only 35-odd countries in the UEFA system in those days.
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If this has already been answered in the thread sorry in advance but will rovers qualifying for the EL move the league any further up the ladder?
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Not significantly, if it all, I believe, but I'm open to correction on that. The main benefit of qualification is to their club co-efficient, although if they could make a habit of qualifying regularly, that would pull the league co-efficient up.
To move up the country co-efficient to anything of note (I think 29th is next place of note) Shamrock Rovers would have to get 4 wins or something like that. 29th is 2.375 co-efficient points ahead. That would take 4 wins and 2 draws (4 X 0.5 + 2 X 0.25) !!
To move up 1 place in the co-efficient,Shamrock Rovers would have to get a result of 1.041. That would take 2 wins and 2 draws ( 2 X 0.5 + 2 X 0.25). Tough by any stretch of the imagination.
Does that not assume that 29th gets no points at all?
6 countries directly above us have no teams left in Europe
yes it does, pretty optimistic.. just a quick check up there, i take it that they have ALL 4 teams left in the competition?
29 Hungary 1.000 1.000 2.750 2.750 2.250 9.750 4
30 Finland 2.625 1.833 1.375 1.800 1.500 9.133 4
31 Georgia 1.000 1.166 1.750 1.875 2.875 8.666 4
32 Bosnia-Herzegovina 1.833 1.833 1.750 1.875 1.125 8.416 4
33 Ireland 1.000 2.500 1.375 1.000 1.500 7.375 1/ 4
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