UEFA Coefficient

[paul_oshea]

is the europa league only 3 qualifying rounds like the uefa cup? If derry were to beat sofia then they woud go into group stages?

[sligoman]

is the europa league only 3 qualifying rounds like the uefa cup? If derry were to beat sofia then they woud go into group stages?

No, there's a play-off round after the next one.

[paul_oshea]

No, there's a play-off round after the next one.

play off round sure isnt that exact same thing as another round i heard that before but was then confused by a previous post, or is it a neutral venue a one off game?

[sligoman]

play off round sure isnt that exact same thing as another round i heard that before but was then confused by a previous post, or is it a neutral venue a one off game?

No, it's 2 legs. Winner goes into group.

[paul_oshea]

Qualifying
In matches in the three qualifying rounds and the play-off stage, clubs play two matches against each other on a home and away basis, with the club scoring the greater aggregate of goals qualifying for the next round. In the event of both teams scoring the same number of goals, the team which scores more goals away qualifies.


i dont see the dif between play off and QRs is it simply money?

[Sheridan]

It's called the play-off round because it's the final qualifying round and they're playing off for a place in the group stages.

[tiktok]

AFAIK it's called the play-off round because the losing 3rd round Champions League Teams join at this stage and compete against the Europa League 3rd qualifying round winners for the group stage spot

[Sheridan]

I don't think so, because the last qualifying phase in the CL is also called the play-off round(s). Obviously just the preferred nomenclature in Nyon.

[tiktok]

Obviously just the preferred nomenclature in Nyon.

Cheers.

By the way, I've been drinking and just tried to read the above out loud...with hilarious consequences [well, hilarious to me, drink may be making it funnier].

[pineapple stu]

There's half coefficient points for qualifying rounds, so maybe there's full points for this round, so they can't call it a qualifying round?

[Duggie]

lads so far where do we stand after all those rounds ??

[ifk101]

lads so far where do we stand after all those rounds ??

We're standing behind Finland and but ahead of Lithuania.

http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/...crank2010.html

[Duggie]

We're standing behind Finland and but ahead of Lithuania.

http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/...crank2010.html

cheers, were doing well. look at a country like norway down in 19th place now. the finns are doing well also.

[paul_oshea]

its funny when you look at countries like cyprus and croatia and compare, croatia have always been a strong enough international competitor(like ourselves I'd like to beleive) but yet lie 7 or so places behind cyprus in that table, a relative poor international team up until the last few years anyway. Maybe Ireland isn't the only country with problems

[HarpoJoyce]

lads so far where do we stand after all those rounds ??

The country ranking is already confirmed.
35th place this year and 30th place next year.

[christo]

The country ranking is already confirmed.
35th place this year and 30th place next year.

How gaurenteed is that move up to 30th place, are we likely to be caught by Latvia or Bosnia or maybe even Lithunia

[holidaysong]

We were 30th last year and 35th the year before. There is a two year delay in the league ranking affecting where your clubs enter, as clubs need to know before their league begins how many places their country will have in Europe in the following year..

e.g. In 2007/08 European season we were 35th but it wasn't until this season that this ranking was applied to us - so that clubs in the 2008 LOI season would know how many places etc. were available for this year..

[HarpoJoyce]

double-edit

[HarpoJoyce]

We were 30th last year and 35th the year before. There is a two year delay in the league ranking affecting where your clubs enter, as clubs need to know before their league begins how many places their country will have in Europe in the following year..

e.g. In 2007/08 European season we were 35th but it wasn't until this season that this ranking was applied to us - so that clubs in the 2008 LOI season would know how many places etc. were available for this year..

holidaysong you are correct that figures are gathered over Five years ( and not four years plus one continous changing year). And the last year was completed two seasons ago so that clubs/countries on border-line seeding lists are not told of a change at short notice either beneficial or detrimental.

But it is the year that it is applied to which matters.

http://www.uefa.com/competitions/ucl...id=788260.html
"Coefficient ranking
A country's representation in the UEFA Champions League is determined by its UEFA coefficient ranking, which is calculated over a five-year basis. The list below is provisional, however, and is subject to final confirmation from UEFA.

2009/10 UEFA Champions League access list
....
35 Republic of Ireland CH
...."

It's as plain as day that this year the Republic of Ireland are ranked 35th.
The UEFA coefficient is as simple or complex as a domestic Division table, while holidaysong has shown a genuine interest in the calculations there are people who insist on trying to make the system appear complicated.

How gaurenteed is that move up to 30th place, are we likely to be caught by Latvia or Bosnia or maybe even Lithunia

I am very sure that Rep. of Ireland will move up to 30th spot.
Linked above UEFA.com 35th spot 2009/10. To my eternal embarrassment I will now use the bert kassies website to show next years completed five year Country ranking.
http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/...crank2009.html
"....
30 Ireland ..."

This ranking list (with some minimal changes if any from UEFA) will be put in motion by UEFA at the start of next year 2010/11. So already, everyone in summer football in Ireland this year knows exactly how many places (rewards) are available to them and can plan the competitions accordingly. Simple.
Again this is based on the Five year fixed calculations and not the four year plus one continuous year which is the calculations two years from now.

(It used to be alot worse, I remember foot.ie when one of the Mods used to note the half-time scores from the qualifying rounds e.g. Moldova v. Serbia-Montenegro and change the UEFA Five Year Coefficient accordingly for half-time. Things have got a lot better with posters like holidaysong here.)

[paul_oshea]

does 30th benefit in any way such as entering qualifying at a later stage or being seeded or is the seeding down to an individual teams points?