UEFA Coefficient

[Big Ears]

We also have the CL winners spot that should work in our favour.

The 2009 winners will surely already qualify and not need the automatic space which will move everybody up. I think our champions will be OK.

Yes but it's the Champions of the lower ranked countries that are matched against each other to get the 5 group places. None of the teams in that part of the draw will be there due to an additional place being added to their country because they're all Champions.

[bigmac]

Yes but it's the Champions of the lower ranked countries that are matched against each other to get the 5 group places. None of the teams in that part of the draw will be there due to an additional place being added to their country because they're all Champions.

Gspain is right. Should the champions qualify directly for the group stages by other means (e.g. top 3 in England, Spain or Italy), then the Title holder's group place would got to highest ranked champions that aren't already there. Next year that would be the Belgian champions. Then there would be a knock on effect down the line whereby the Swiss champions would be straight into QR2 and the Faroese & Luxembourg champions would be in QR1 instead of the new QR0.
Were that to happen, then the seeded teams would be teams 17 to 33, which would mean that we would only need one of the above mentioned teams to not win their own league and the LoI champions would be seeded. It's still going to be squeaky bum time though.

I'm not quite sure what would happen to the access places if the CL winners don't make it to the group stages - suppose for example that Arsenal win the CL and finish 4th in the premier league. They will then get straight into the group stages as champions, but another team will have to take their place in the qualifying draw. I suspect that it will mean that the next country in the ranking will get a second team into the CL, which will have no effect on the lower half of the draw.


**edit**
similarly if the UC cup winner qualifies for the CL next year, then there'll also be a bit of a reshuffling that I'm unclear about. It'll probably mean that our Cup winners will be more likely to be seeded though, so we'll wait and see.

[boovidge]

im entirely confused so i'm just going to see what happens next year

[gspain]

Gspain is right. Should the champions qualify directly for the group stages by other means (e.g. top 3 in England, Spain or Italy), then the Title holder's group place would got to highest ranked champions that aren't already there. Next year that would be the Belgian champions. Then there would be a knock on effect down the line whereby the Swiss champions would be straight into QR2 and the Faroese & Luxembourg champions would be in QR1 instead of the new QR0.
Were that to happen, then the seeded teams would be teams 17 to 33, which would mean that we would only need one of the above mentioned teams to not win their own league and the LoI champions would be seeded. It's still going to be squeaky bum time though.

I'm not quite sure what would happen to the access places if the CL winners don't make it to the group stages - suppose for example that Arsenal win the CL and finish 4th in the premier league. They will then get straight into the group stages as champions, but another team will have to take their place in the qualifying draw. I suspect that it will mean that the next country in the ranking will get a second team into the CL, which will have no effect on the lower half of the draw.


**edit**
similarly if the UC cup winner qualifies for the CL next year, then there'll also be a bit of a reshuffling that I'm unclear about. It'll probably mean that our Cup winners will be more likely to be seeded though, so we'll wait and see.

The current scenario assumes the 2009 champions will need an automatic spot for 2009/10. However it is likely (not certain) that the champions will finish in the top 3 in Spain, England or Italy etc. Then the Belgian champions as you say will get an automatic spot and the knockon effect is that our champions should be seeded unless all the leagues go wring.

[pete]

im entirely confused so i'm just going to see what happens next year

Me to. Never thought I would get tired of coefficients either. I must be ill...

[dcfcsteve]

Does anyone know what a tracker mortgage is.....?

[gufcfan]

Does anyone know what a tracker mortgage is.....?

POTM material, but it would be lost in context.

I'm completely baffled with the co-efficients to be perfectly honest, but I should make myself familiar with them as GUFC are surely on course to enter Europe again soon...

[Titan]

I'm actually following this quite well for someone with my intellect but that said I'm starting to forget things like where I live and whether I drive a car or not. Hopefully my brain will start working again before I have to leave work this evening if not I can always console myself with the fact that we will have a seeded team in the CL next season err or not. Whats that stuff dribbling out of my ears?

[TonyD]

Does anyone know what a tracker mortgage is.....?

Excuse me, what's this thread about ?

[bigmac]

Excuse me, what's this thread about ?

potm #2

Simple enough guys - whether our champions are seeded or not depends on other events. Good events increase our chances, bad events decrease our chances. One good event will cancel out one bad event.

• Champions League winners qualifying for group stages via domestic league - Good
• Ventspils winning the league in Latvia - Bad
• BATE winning in Belarus - Bad
• Hafnarfjardar winning in Iceland - Bad
• NK Maribor, Nova Gorica, or NK Domzale winning in Slovenia - Bad

We can afford 2 net bad events and still be seeded so unless all of the above teams win their leagues we should hopefully sneak in by the skin of our teeth.

[Candystripe]

Unless Bohs goes belly up (ala Shels) and Derry finish 2nd in the league. Then Derry would be seeded in the CL no matter what other clubs from other leagues did .

[Dodge]

Unless Bohs goes belly up (ala Shels) and Derry finish 2nd in the league. Then Derry would be seeded in the CL no matter what other clubs from other leagues did .

Ahem... Pats too could be seeded. If we win league and beat Hertha ( )

[swinfordfc]

Ahem... Pats too could be seeded. If we win league and beat Hertha ( )

it looks like 30th is the position for us this season! provided BATE B..... of Belarus dont pick up anything!

[garyderry]

Ahem... Pats too could be seeded. If we win league and beat Hertha ( )

would take that anyday over bohs winning the leage

[Schumi]

Ahem... Pats too could be seeded. If we win league and beat Hertha ( )

I don't know which of these is more likely now!

[HarpoJoyce]

it looks like 30th is the position for us this season! provided BATE B..... of Belarus dont pick up anything!

It's in two seasons time. LoI is 35th for all of this season. Until end of June 2009 and then 35th for all of next season too, July 2009 - June 2010. What is being competed for this season will mature in two seasons, 2010-2011.

[pineapple stu]

We've had this before, and didn't we decide that 30th will be our seeding for next season (makes no sense being 35th two years in a row), but access and starting rounds will be based on 35th for next year?

[HarpoJoyce]

We've had this before, and didn't we decide that 30th will be our seeding for next season (makes no sense being 35th two years in a row), but access and starting rounds will be based on 35th for next year?

I don't understand the first part of your post. But you appear to understand the UEFA Co-efficient method of measurement with the last part of the final sentence.

[gspain]

For 2009/2010 competitions.

Access list and the round you enter the competition at is based on coeffcients up until end of May 2008.

however seeding in each round is base don tyour club and national coefficient up until end of May 2009.

[holidaysong]

A revamp to co-efficients next year:

This was posted on Bert's site, it's a translation from a Greek website.

- Confirmed club coefficient changes from 33% to 20% of national coefficient.
- 4 bonus points for entering Champions league, instead of 3
- points in qualifying rounds COUNT for club coefficients
- bonus points for participating in CL and EL preliminaries also: 0.25 for ELQR1, 0.5 for ELQR2, 1 point for ELQR3, 1.5 for ELQR4 and 2 points for EL group stage.
- 0.5 points for CLQR0, 1 point for CLQR1, but no bonus points for CLQR2 and CLQR3 because those excluded in those rounds will continue in Europa League and receive bonus points there.
- Points are not gained anymore for individual results achieved, but by qualifying for a certain stage you receive points.