Do you want Derry, Drogs and Pats to progress?

**gustavo** · 17/07/2007, 6:23 PM

But I'd say a lot of those same fans still wanted you to win that game before it started , the 10-0 to the Refugees thing just a bit of banter no harm in it

**Dodge** · 17/07/2007, 7:13 PM

I've no idea what you're referring to

**pineapple stu** · 17/07/2007, 7:39 PM

Originally Posted by gustavo

But I'd say a lot of those same fans still wanted you to win that game before it started , the 10-0 to the Refugees thing just a bit of banter no harm in it

Exactly.

Can't go getting in a huff every time opposition fans slag you.

**DmanDmythDledge** · 17/07/2007, 7:46 PM

Originally Posted by superfrank

All the big leagues have fierce rivalries, not always pretty, but it makes those leagues far more interesting to watch. Real-Barca, Inter-AC-Juve, Roma-Lazio, Ajax-Feyenoord-PSV, Rangers-Celtic....I can go on forever. These clubs all have really devoted fans who don't give two craps about any other team if they do well in Europe or whatever. It's something we should aspire to if we want to be taken seriously as a football league.

Imo, it's as if we're accepting the way our league is by just going off and supporting any ol' team that happens to have a chance of progressing, just so we can say "Been there, got the t-shirt". So what if one team gets though? If it's not your team, why support them? It's called rivalry. You can see the way we think about each other just by reading the forums. Yet when European season rolls around, we're all buddies cheering on whoever. It's pathetic. We might as well not support any teams and just put forward an el XI for every European game and then we can all support them. Imo, the idea of supporting whoever devalues the fan's reputations and the league will never progress. If you want one common team to support, support the national side.

First all there are very few rivalries in this league so your point has no merit. Fair enough if it's Bohs wanting Rovers to lose or Harps wanting Derry to lose but what's the harm in UCD wanting Pat's to win?

Teams in other countries can afford for their fellow teams to do poor as it won't affect them. If eL clubs do poorly in Europe it has an adverse effect on teams that qualify in the succeeding years.

**kdjaC** · 17/07/2007, 8:28 PM

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Exactly.

Can't go getting in a huff every time opposition fans slag you.

Nowt to do with getting in a huff, its simply not supporting your rivals as you hate them.

kdjac

**pineapple stu** · 17/07/2007, 8:35 PM

Few minutes ago it was not supporting them because they held up a banner?

**TonyD** · 17/07/2007, 8:41 PM

When (if) we have the luxury of teams regularly doing very well in Europe then we can afford to carry domestic rivalries into these games. Until then, any good result for any team is a good result for the league. Not saying it would break my heart if Derry or Drogs lost, but I'd prefer them to win. (Mind you, there's always an exception isn't there - I could never bring myself to "support" Shels

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**superfrank** · 17/07/2007, 8:49 PM

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

In fact, I'm not taking you very seriously at the moment.

Really? I'm so upset.

Clearly lot's of people don't agree with me. That's fine by me. I've made my argument a few times now. There's no need for me to repeat myself.

**pineapple stu** · 17/07/2007, 8:52 PM

Originally Posted by superfrank

I've made my argument a few times now.

You haven't made any argument; that's my point. You've spouted clich�s without actually showing how they relate to the issue at hand.

**superfrank** · 17/07/2007, 8:55 PM

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

You haven't made any argument; that's my point. You've spouted clich�s without actually showing how they relate to the issue at hand.

Sorry, argument is too strong a word. Opinion, that suit you?

**mon_cutie07** · 17/07/2007, 8:58 PM

without getting stuck in this argument.....whats the predictions on saturday nights match against us?? or do i dare ask?

**pineapple stu** · 17/07/2007, 9:03 PM

Originally Posted by superfrank

Sorry, argument is too strong a word. Opinion, that suit you?

OK. And I've shown that opinion to be groundless.

**superfrank** · 17/07/2007, 9:15 PM

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

OK. And I've shown that opinion to be groundless.

You can think that if you want. I'd never rob anyone of their right to an opinion.

**sligoman** · 17/07/2007, 9:23 PM

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

OK. And I've shown that opinion to be groundless.

In what way? You can't make anyone's opinion "groundless", an opinion is someone's own decision. You can't prove it wrong just cos you don't agree with it.

**Dazzy** · 17/07/2007, 11:07 PM

Originally Posted by Galway Harps

Hope the teams progress but voted don't care about Derry as I heard that if they progress the date of the cup game might be moved, which would mess up my chances of getting to it. Not sure it that is true mind you.

Only the UCD game is in doubt atm, The Harps game is only in doubt if we beat both Pyunik and Shaktar.

Hope all progress.

**Mr A** · 17/07/2007, 11:23 PM

Originally Posted by Dazzy

Only the UCD game is in doubt atm, The Harps game is only in doubt if we beat both Pyunik and Shaktar.

Hope all progress.

Right so. In that case I wouldn't mind Derry making it through this round. Still, at 5-1 Pyunik are tempting........

**Risteard** · 18/07/2007, 12:36 PM

Hope all 3 progress.

**Shelsman** · 18/07/2007, 1:04 PM

Originally Posted by sligoman

In what way? You can't make anyone's opinion "groundless", an opinion is someone's own decision. You can't prove it wrong just cos you don't agree with it.

Yes. I don't agree with SuperFrank AT ALL, but he is entitled to his opinion.

Rivalry makes for a better atmosphere at a match but it must be kept in check i.e. no violence ( SuperFrank did use the word hate previously -as if we should aspire to this??? ).

Our league isn't strong enough ( as has already been said ) that we can afford to have our clubs knocked out in the first round.

We need to convert the barstoolers to follow Irish, not English clubs and one of the key issues is respect. One of the best way to get this is for our clubs to perform well in Europe ( both for the results / prestige and for the much needed money ).

Is this just a case of Bray desperately needing a rival to boost the atmosphere? How about UCD for a rival? or maybe Greystones or Wicklow Town will put a team into the league? There's certainly a good rivalry between the older Dublin clubs and also between Cork and Waterford, Derry and Finn Harps, Drogheda and Dundalk. Cork City are always looking to stuff the Dubs too!

Best of luck to Derry, Pats and Drogheda.

**Dodge** · 18/07/2007, 1:11 PM

Shelsman, as a follower of th club with probably the best recent Eurpean record, and certainly the highest european profile recently, do you think your european exploits have a) helped Shels and b) helped the league's attendances grow?

**oriel** · 18/07/2007, 1:50 PM

Originally Posted by Block G Raptor

What a ridiculous poll. of course any self respecting eL fan would want all three to progress. ffs if it was rovers in europe i'd want them to progress too

Well said, why on earth would anyone on here want any of the 3 to fail (and the northern clubs too for that matter)