First Division Betting

**sadloserkid** · 25/03/2003, 8:12 AM

I have a hunch that Kilkenny will flop this season. Looking at the players he's taken only McCarthy looks a real start. As for the others... a Paul Harmon who was never a regular in any Limerick team, David Dunphy (a ginger Frank Browne) and Eddie Hickey (junior football last year and Galway's bench the season before. What are we afraid of?

As for The Lunchbox, Nempton asserts "He also had a good mix of young and experienced players and towards the end of his last season he had Limerick challenging for the playoffs but towards the end of the season they faded a bit." Sounds like Limerick last season to be honest except we've added more experience this time out.

**LFC in Exile** · 25/03/2003, 11:08 AM

BisB, I think that posting calls for a small wager no? What do you think. And I won't even look for odds from you based on Paddy Powers view.

10 euro?

**BlueisBeautiful** · 25/03/2003, 2:55 PM

..... I dont like betting against my own team but I like easy money too so maybe.......

**sadloserkid** · 25/03/2003, 3:13 PM

Originally posted by BlueisBeautiful
..... I dont like betting against my own team but I like easy money too so maybe.......

Alright... what odds can I get on Blue is Beautiful taking this bet?

**deise deserter** · 25/03/2003, 4:18 PM

Posted by Nempton:

I think as well though the difference between Tommy and Noel and their overall abilities involved in management is probably the deciding factor regarding the betting odds.

I don't get you Nempton.

Lynch brought no silverware to Limerick, yet O'Connor did. Lynch played one man up front at home. O'Connor has begun to build up a better team. Lynch seems to be cramming ex-Limerick players into his team, players O'Connor doesn't seem to rate.

**sadloserkid** · 25/03/2003, 4:23 PM

Originally posted by deise deserter
Posted by Nempton:

I don't get you Nempton.

Lynch brought no silverware to Limerick, yet O'Connor did. Lynch played one man up front at home. O'Connor has begun to build up a better team. Lynch seems to be cramming ex-Limerick players into his team, players O'Connor doesn't seem to rate.

While I agree with the overall thrust of your piece Deise there's just one point I'd like to clarify. The players that Lynch is putting into his team aren't bad players - Derek McCarthy was a class striker with real goalscoring menace and we could badly do with him back (unless he's still crocked), Paul Harmon looked to have a lot of potential as well and could/would/will have developed into a fine player. Dunphy never really impressed me and Hickey was gone ever before the Lunchbox walked off on us.

Overall though Tommy is a nice guy and not a bad coach but is he the man the lead us into the Premiership??? Hardly!

**Schumi** · 25/03/2003, 4:28 PM

Originally posted by sadloserkid
Overall though Tommy is a nice guy and not a bad coach but is he the man the lead us into the Premiership???

Limerick heading off to England then?

**deise deserter** · 25/03/2003, 4:29 PM

Posted by SLK:

While I agree with the overall thrust of your piece Deise there's just one point I'd like to clarify. The players that Lynch is putting into his team aren't bad players - Derek McCarthy was a class striker with real goalscoring menace and we could badly do with him back (unless he's still crocked), Paul Harmon looked to have a lot of potential as well and could/would/will have developed into a fine player. Dunphy never really impressed me and Hickey was gone ever before the Lunchbox walked off on us.

That is why I said:

O'Connor doesn't seem to rate

Does this mean that Harmon is the only real loss to the club?

**sadloserkid** · 25/03/2003, 4:35 PM

Originally posted by deise deserter
Harmon is the only real loss to the club?

No Derek McCarthy is. He's one of the best strikers in the First Division. Think Willie Bruton with a few more tricks and you're not far off.

**deise deserter** · 25/03/2003, 4:38 PM

That said if he has been gone for a long time due to injury and is playing with a team further away for substantially less money in regards wages one would wonder...

**sadloserkid** · 25/03/2003, 4:41 PM

Originally posted by deise deserter
for substantially less money

And what makes you say that? Are you actually a Kilkenny fan from Waterford who supports Limerick???

Derek McCarthy isn't giving anywhere unless he's being well paid, make no mistakeon that one. And it's only been about 14 months since he wore a Limerick shirt when you think about it... ah sure...

**Nempton** · 25/03/2003, 5:39 PM

Deise, first, the ex-Limerick players. If you knew anything about Limerick you would have known that Derek and Harmon were two excellent players for Limerick and still are. The reason why Derek is not playing with Limerick is well documented on another thread on this message board as for Harmon he was left go because he was missing training. So it was more for disciplinary reasons why he left rather than his ability. Secondly, your argument based on the fact Tommy Lynch played one striker up front is what exactly...it's a stupid comment. I know you picked it up from SLK in another thread. I know SLK doesn't like that formation (and I repsect his thoughts on that because we have talked about it before) but what exactly are you trying to say. I watched Limerick under Tommy and Noel, have you? If you could say that you have, then your argument (if thats what it is) might have some foundation because otherwise it makes no sense. It is something that one might say in front of the lads pretending that he is an expert on football and knows what he is talking about. You might actually clarify your point for me. I have seen teams like Man Utd play one striker up front so does that mean Noel is a better manager than Sir Alex. When refering to the difference between Tommy and Noel my point was this, that Limerick when I watched them were organised under Tommy and knew what their purpose was on the field whereas at times I have watched Limerick under Noel and all I'll say is that they were like headless chickens on the field.

**BlueisBeautiful** · 25/03/2003, 8:59 PM

...to ya Nempton! At least there's someone else out there who agrees with me about Tommy Lynch. Now I dont feel so marginalised!!!

**sadloserkid** · 26/03/2003, 8:20 AM

Originally posted by BlueisBeautiful
At least there's someone else out there who agrees with me about Tommy Lynch. Now I dont feel so marginalised!!!

Don't feel marginalised BisB!

Like I said Tommy's alright but he had his chance and didn't take it. It would be a step backwards to appoint him. The only one of our ex-first division managers worth re-appointing would be Sam Allardyce and I suspect that he'd probably like to stay with Bolton

But as for Tommy, he's ok and he'll improve Kilkenny but he won't bring them up and he wouldn't have brought us up either...

**deise deserter** · 26/03/2003, 9:14 AM

Nempton:
I'll just ignore what you are saying about McCarthy - he hasn't been seen playing LOI football since his injury and you can't make such a definitive judgement about a player who has experienced such a long absence due to injury. I have also heard rumours that was acting up like a prima donna on Kilkenny - first not going unless they got him a job, and secondly only wanting to train once a week. Also didn't Mr McCarthy run from the club as fast as he could when they were in financial difficulty a few seasons back? Don, I know the guy is your friend but please get your head out of his mercenary arse. As for your attempted pathetic childish digs at me - grow up.