not without actually seeing them, beyond eircom league weekly.Originally Posted by osarusan
the "top 2/3" bit. granted, there is a fairly sharp drop off of talent beyond the top 6/7 teams at the moment, but the idea that the premier division is full of teams like longford or waterford is ridiculous and shows a lack of understanding.And which part of the comment, if any, do you disagree with?
I agree with the fact the premiership is superior but leave out the barstooler bullsh*t? No way,every barstool fan is not a fan,they are idiots. You admit to being a Liverpool fan and unless you are actually from Liverpool,you too are an idiot.
I used to do it myself when i was a kid and yes,i was an idiot but i saw sense and realised that i never really supported the team.
so your a season ticket holder at tolka then?
Im a Liverpool fan, whats the problem? I go to every home Harps game and a good few away trips too. I also try to get over to 2/3 'Pool games a season. I cant see why we get critisised for supporting an english team, if, it doesnt affect the following of our local club. Our national team is made up of players plyin their trade in England, are you going to critisise them too? Its a better league simple as............. every player in LOI strives to play in England (well if they are ambitious enought anyway) Its a shame but thats the way it is.
In fairness I don't think any body has ever criticised a LOI fan who has an interest in a foreign team. As long as Harps are your true love...
What anto is doing is criticising those who exclusively follow a foreign team.
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Correct and more to the point, those who actually travel to see their English teams are not the problem in my view. There's a slight chance you might get them to go to an ELOI game especially during the English close season.
The ''barstoolers'' are so called because they are the ones who never go to a game , either at home, or across the Irish sea. They are the ones who think buying a replica shirt and shouting at the TV is supporting your team. And they are patently wrong.
And don't get me started on GAA fans who follow only English teams... like that plonker outside Croker protesting at the '' foreign '' games being played there in his Celtic shirt.....
No but i get to almost all the games,home and away.
But you're also a Harps fan so no real problem,it's as Dodge said.Im a Liverpool fan, whats the problem?
I do,all the time. I've no time for the England B team but thats another arguement anyway.Our national team is made up of players plyin their trade in England, are you going to critisise them too?
I didn't deny that,look at the first 9 words of my post you quoted. BTW,i can see how my post may have been confusing,my wording is terrible,so apologies.Its a better league simple as
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My own opinion is that there is an inferiority complex involved in neglecting our own teams, financially and with lack of support, and allowing ourselves to be used as stooges by marketing and tv exposure for the premiership etc. We send over our best talent to be used as fodder at a far too early age and about 1 in 600 make it and many of the others come back destroyed. We need to reconsider the situation.
apologise there Anto i took u up wrong.
I see what ye mean about the "barstoolers" but, i know "barstoolers" who if they had the money would travel to english games. The very same people critisise the LOI for not taking advantage of the funding available. Its the way the LOI is viewed is what rags me.
When Sky Sports started off here, they had billboard ads that said "There's no point screaming at the ref if you're only watching the highlights."
Should've won an award for unconscious irony.
Revenge for 2002
The irony is of course that they need very little money to support their local side!
"Its a shame but thats the way it is".
I'm glad you agree that it IS a shame. And it has gone on long enough. Wake up and have a little pride.
wat u droolling on about now? who has no pride?
People of little discernment who are conned by PR hype and media exposure into neglecting their own local and national teams and supporting teams who want their money through gate receipts and sale of merchandise. I nearly got sick a few years ago at a match where the national side was playing an English club in a friendly and the brave local heroes were cheering for the non-Irish team. A little like "peasants" had to do years ago in tipping their cap to the master of the big house - as I said earlier a post-colonial inferiority complex.
is that pointed at me hoss?
personally I help out with Harps as much as possible. I have attended all barr 1 home game this season and been to a good few away games too (which are usually 3 hour journeys min each way) , Ive been to 2 of Irelands euro 2008 qualifiers and still support Liverpool. I cant see your problem, the same Steve Finnan plays for 'pool as does for Ireland, same goes for O'Shea, Doyle, etc. Some people need to get over the whole English hating agenda. Of coarse Harps come 1st but I still like to watch a better league (be it on tv or in person)
Not really. I'm speaking to the nation!
For years we thought our national team couldn't compete, that our economy would always languish, that emigration was here to stay. If we spent half the resources we lavish on foreign teams (and good luck to them - I'm pro our team not anti everyone else) on our own league it would improve beyond measure and we need to keep repeating that message.
is that you Bertie?
fair enough new-blue
I agree completely with your posting. The attitude towards ELOI is the last vestiges of the '' ah sure we're only a poor small country'' mentality that held us back for years. People don't add 2 and 2 and get 4 for an answer. They say that the ELOI is not as good as the Premiership. Well it doesn't cost as much for one thing and maybe if a few more people bothered their hole to go, teams here might have the resources to pay better wages to go and compete at an ever better level in European club football. Then the clubs might be able to improve facilities. But it doesn't matter how good facilities are in the stadia cause Irish people, who were originally from North Africa, don't like being rained on and they'd get p***ed on between the bus/car/train and the grounds anyway in this glorious climate we have every summer which is on a par with an English winter and those games are well attended so how come we are such wimps? Or are we just a lazy shower of couch potatoes who worship at the temples of Atlantic Homecare and other such emporiums instead of the one true faith... Football?
To get to a point made elsewhere people think because lots of people go to something it's automatically brilliant. Witness in the GAA the situation where the game of real skill i.e. hurling is less well attended than the game with no rules..i.e Gaelic football.
If you were to use the population theory widely held in this country , Gaelic football would be a better game than hurling which it isn't. And another illustration.. look at all the sh1t songs that make no 1 in the pop charts? Just because something is popular doesn't automatically mean that it is good !
Of course we'll always have the odd visit from our "masters" to keep the natives on side and assure them of our everlasting interest in their welfare - they may even come over on a return visit to our wonderful stadia across the water. If they're good we'll even let them set up a supporters club or do a summer camp for them. Wow!!
So after tonights narrow 1-0 defeat at the hands of Tottenham Hotspur, the debate will start again as to relative standards. By my reckoning , St. Patrick's Athletic must be better than the entire bottom half of the Premiership table last season. And the stadium was full so therefore it was automatically a brilliant game.
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