Is the average Yank out of touch with reality

**Shed End John** · 18/03/2003, 10:18 AM

Originally posted by GWA
I hope that the first casualties of this war are Bush and Blair.

Two of the 'hawks' removed from world politics, is it too much to ask? Seems that the Bush/Blair axis wants a fight at any cost and it will probably get it. If they are ousted, though, things will only get worse if two more hawks take their place. Ever notice how world politics are ALWAYS alot more stable when the 'doves' are in power??

**Gary** · 18/03/2003, 10:23 AM

I see that Claire Short didnt have the courage of her convictions this morning and will not resign from the British cabinet. pity, as had Blair lost two cabinet members in 24 hrs he would be in trouble. However, he its expected that there will be a widespread revolt in the commons this afternoon.

**Shed End John** · 18/03/2003, 10:32 AM

Originally posted by GWA
I However, he its expected that there will be a widespread revolt in the commons this afternoon.

Bring it on!! He might learn not to be such a bully-boy ba$tard in future.

**sadloserkid** · 18/03/2003, 11:40 AM

Originally posted by sadloserkid
[ Once again, this was a mistake. I've had to mod a lot of posts on Foot.ie and Boards.ie lately, so it's getting too easy to hit Edit instead of Quote. Sorry SLK. All I can remember of your original post is below. If you can remember the rest, feel free to pop it back here. --adam ]

Thanks for clearing that up! I was just trying to be funny and saying that if somebody was to take a dump on the floor most people would be concerned with the turd itself than any flag that may be protruding from it. Ah.... the moments lost...

**dahamsta** · 18/03/2003, 12:13 PM

Bring it on!! He might learn not to be such a bully-boy ba$tard n future.

Unfortunately, unless the revolt is enormous, it's unlikely to make a difference, since Blair has the Tories support on this.

adam

**Colm** · 18/03/2003, 2:06 PM

Originally posted by GWA
I hope that the first casualties of this war are Bush and Blair.

Blair is a puppet pure and simple. I actually used to have a lot of respect for the guy but he has gone down in my estimation (that said I'd rather he be in power than Iain Duncan Smith).

The way I see it is Blair will do anything to please Bush, if Bush wants war so does Blair. If Bush didnt want war Blair wouldn't either.
It's the same with Bertie, he loves to keep Blair and Bush happy and will go out of his way to remain in their good books.

**JR Ewing** · 18/03/2003, 2:20 PM

Originally posted by Dricky
Who are going to make money from a war

I certainly will, my company stands to gain 1 million barrels of oil if our military can protect the oil supplies in Iraq during the war. Hopefully, with God's help, we will oust an evil tyrant and replenish our oil supplies in the same effort.

**dahamsta** · 18/03/2003, 2:33 PM

JR Ewing, I hope for your sake I don't find you're an existing poster on Foot.ie. If I do, both accounts will be gone.

adam

**Schumi** · 18/03/2003, 3:11 PM

America's resoning that they want to spread democracy has to be taken with a large pinch of salt. I don't know if anyone else saw the programme on RTE over the weekend about the coup in Venezuela but one of Bush's cabinet (Powell I think) basially said it was the democratically elected president's own fault despite the fact that he had massive popular support.

**Kickeroo** · 18/03/2003, 4:35 PM

Vetinari, i think he/she is trying to force a smile out of everyone in what is certainly an awkward time. Think along the lines of Dennis Leary

I've been reading everyone's post on this subject, and at this time, I still do not beleive it would be appropriate for me to comment of the "vibe" here is. It's disturbing to say the least, but it's a familar feeling for us all. I'm fighting the urge to be a chest-thumping bold patriot and a conciencous objector all at the same time.

Elvis Costello said it best: What's so funny 'bout peace love and understanding?

God bless you all. We'll raise a pint in Dublin in early May. I'll be there.

**Dricky** · 20/03/2003, 8:31 AM

Hey at least you know that all our comments are directed at the Administration and not the people.

Victory attained by violence is tantamount to a defeat, for it is momentary.
Mahatma Gandhi,

**Shed End John** · 20/03/2003, 9:11 AM

Originally posted by Vetinari
[BUnfortunately, unless the revolt is enormous, it's unlikely to make a difference, since Blair has the Tories support on this.

adam [/B]

That'll be something of a first, then. Labour and the Tories agreeing on ANYTHING.

**dahamsta** · 20/03/2003, 11:10 AM

That'll be something of a first, then. Labour and the Tories agreeing on ANYTHING.

The Tories couldn't possibly NOT agree with war in Iraq - no matter what the circumstances - if Labour is for it.

Kickeroo, I have no objection to humour, however multiple accounts is against the rules on Foot.ie. If I find out it's a mod - it usually is, sadly - they won't be a mod no more.

adam

**Shed End John** · 20/03/2003, 11:14 AM

Originally posted by Vetinari
That'll be something of a first, then. Labour and the Tories agreeing on ANYTHING.

The Tories couldn't possibly NOT agree with war in Iraq - no matter what the circumstances - if Labour is for it.

Doesn't seem to be much point in having an 'Opposition' so, if they don't actually oppose anything. And, with most average Brits opposed to the war.......you get the picture.

**Macy** · 20/03/2003, 11:23 AM

Originally posted by Shed End John
Doesn't seem to be much point in having an 'Opposition' so, if they don't actually oppose anything. And, with most average Brits opposed to the war.......you get the picture.

Well that's Blairs fault in the first place - he shifted Labour to the right, highjacked tory policy, thus forcing the tory party to shift further to the right and effectively killing meaningful opposition in the UK.....

**Shed End John** · 20/03/2003, 11:27 AM

Originally posted by Macy
Well that's Blairs fault in the first place - he shifted Labour to the right, highjacked tory policy, thus forcing the tory party to shift further to the right and effectively killing meaningful opposition in the UK.....

Thanks to an example set by the Irish, with the whole 'no difference between Fianna Fail and Fine Gael' thing.

**dahamsta** · 20/03/2003, 12:25 PM

I'm going to split this thread if it continues into an FG/FF war. And I'm going to start the war: Conor74, you're calling what FF is doing now "better"? Economic and competitive idiocy, fencesitting and lickspittling, overspending and incompetent taxation? Pull the other one, it's got bells on.

The Opposition was weak at the last election, but their major weakness was that they weren't able to highlight FF's lies effecitively. That's what FF do better, lie. You can have them.

adam

**dahamsta** · 20/03/2003, 12:28 PM

Doesn't seem to be much point in having an 'Opposition' so, if they don't actually oppose anything.

Macy's point stands, however he didn't correct you on this: You're wrong, they do oppose stuff. In fact, they oppose far too much for a comparable right-wing party, which has been part of the problem for the last few years. It makes them look like idiots. To be credible, you have to oppose credibly. Noonan and Bruton always made a haimes of it.

adam