under 21s

[stann]

Fair honest whatever hes still not upto it IMO. your introducing a word there that i dont think i used "abusing"

And I put a and a after it which I would have thought signified a joke but obviously not. My fault, I didn't realise I needed to spell it out.

Oops there you go again "abusing" and im reading "my own words" and i dont see any mention of abusing anyone. The ref did not ask me to stop arguing with lino he asked me to move away and leave him alone, again you use "arguing" with the lino but clearly i wasnt arguing with him only questioning his decision making and your right there is a massive differance .....with what you say i said and what i know i said or didnt say but keep typing it cos its fantastic stuff.

Hopefully dealt with the 'abusing' thing but the fact remains you suggested in the original post that for what you said to the linesman the ref threatened to have the game called off ("So for questioning a touch judges decision, the only people in this wide open space who were getting paid, were going to call off a game").
That obviously wasn't going to be the case because then you quoted him telling you two more things that needed to happen before the game would have been called off, namely you not leaving the linesman alone and then you not going when asked to leave (I'm not suggesting for a minute, BTW, that you'd have done either of these things, just that it's what you said he said).
So it was an exaggeration, no matter how long you think the word is. I politely decline your applause as it's not really that long.

[gael353]

And I put a and a after it which I would have thought signified a joke but obviously not. My fault, I didn't realise I needed to spell it out.

nah ur garnad and sorry for not picking it up

That obviously wasn't going to be the case because then you quoted him telling you two more things that needed to happen before the game would have been called off, namely you not leaving the linesman alone and then you not going when asked to leave (I'm not suggesting for a minute, BTW, that you'd have done either of these things, just that it's what you said he said).
So it was an exaggeration, no matter how long you think the word is. I politely decline your applause as it's not really that long.

Right first up you havent got the jist of this at all (the part about poor reffing as oppsed to protect everything waterford united) Now in the org post i clearly stated why the game was going to be called off, i tried to re state for you why this was going to happen in my reply to you. I also may have farted during my challenge to the officials...oh wait ill take back that word challange in case you say something like "oh another reason why the game wasnt going to be called off" ****e. Listen mate you introduced the word "abuse" into what u would have liked me to say and now you go on about an exaggeration! Listen Stann, your not sky news, or the FAI introducing words or phrases to try and get spin on what you would like to see happen eg..."obviously," "so it was an exaggeration!" was it? you have yet to prove otherwise without introducing things and words which you would like me to say or pretend that i have said that it was an exaggeration. The reffing was crap...end of

[stann]

Now in the org post i clearly stated why the game was going to be called off, i tried to re state for you why this was going to happen in my reply to you. I also may have farted during my challenge to the officials...oh wait ill take back that word challange in case you say something like "oh another reason why the game wasnt going to be called off" ****e. Listen mate you introduced the word "abuse" into what u would have liked me to say and now you go on about an exaggeration!

First off, the word 'abusing' I used. I clearly put that in as a joke, with reference to Johnny Matthews who you didn't recognise on the touchline, and it was clearly put in as an aside and not part of the argument I'm making at all, so how it can be me 'spinning' I don't know. I then spelled it out that it was meant as a joke, and you just replied above that were sorry for not picking it up, but you still use it in your argument below that? What's that all about??!!

Now part of your original post is below. You're right, it clearly states why the game was going to be called off if it came to that. And it's not because of what was initially said to the lineman.

There was a questionable foul by a limerick player on a Waterford player in that corner and to my surprise the official flagged hysterically as if a player was mortally wounded. I simply said to him “are you serious?” which he responded to shouting “GO AWAY GO AWAY GO AWAY” ala John O’Donaghue. I said I’m watching the game and I’m going no where to which he started flagging and calling the ref over to deal with me. The ref, whose name was….Maaaaaaaaa,! (Not sure how many “a”s) left his half way line position and asked me to “leave him alone or ill get you booted out, and if you don’t go ill call off the game!”

Then you said:

So for questioning a touch judges decision, the only people in this wide open space who were getting paid, were going to call off a game (1 min or 90 mins they still get paid?)

Are you really telling me there's not a huge difference between these two things? I think you were exaggerating for effect, trying to put a worse spin on a ref you don't rate, but who I felt needed a bit of defending as he's not the worst. That's all.
He's known as Maa by the way, not Maaaaaaaaa.

[Lim till i die]

Are you really telling me there's not a huge difference between these two things? I think you were exaggerating for effect, trying to put a worse spin on a ref you don't rate, but who I felt needed a bit of defending as he's not the worst. That's all.

Defending from what exactly??

Would you even try and deny for a second that the situation was laughable??

He's known as Maa by the way, not Maaaaaaaaa

Who gives a bulls pizzle

[stann]

Defending from what exactly??
Would you even try and deny for a second that the situation was laughable??
...
Who gives a bulls pizzle

No, not going to deny that, or that the referreeing was crap. I just thought that Gael was being a bit harsh on a normally decent junior league ref, by over-egging a story he posted to demonstrate incompetence in U-21 refs in general. And bull's pizzle was quite the delicacy back in the day so I'm told.

I agree about the sometimes deplorable standard of reffing in the U-21 leagues, given that they are frequently junior league (down here at least) referees, but would suppose it does come down to funds. I don't know if they get paid less for officiating a U-21 game than League officials get, though I expect they do, but certainly the travel expenses are minimised or cut out completely by using local people, and with little or no cash return by way of sponsorship or gate receipts then that would be the overriding concern.

[Copa Mundial]

No, not going to deny that, or that the referreeing was crap. I just thought that Gael was being a bit harsh on a normally decent junior league ref, by over-egging a story he posted to demonstrate incompetence in U-21 refs in general. And bull's pizzle was quite the delicacy back in the day so I'm told.

I agree about the sometimes deplorable standard of reffing in the U-21 leagues, given that they are frequently junior league (down here at least) referees, but would suppose it does come down to funds. I don't know if they get paid less for officiating a U-21 game than League officials get, though I expect they do, but certainly the travel expenses are minimised or cut out completely by using local people, and with little or no cash return by way of sponsorship or gate receipts then that would be the overriding concern.

To the best of my knowledge there are no EL refs/assistants based in Waterford or am i mistaken?
The point made about travel costs is a very valid one. Its either appoint a local official which is not ideal in terms of refereeing the game or appoint EL officials from Wexford/Limerick/Cork and the costs involved in that would not make any sense. It's not an ideal scenario for the u-21 league and that's no disrespect to the local refs who end up officiating the games, they carry out their duties to the best of their abilities.
Maybe it's something that the new FAI Ref recruitment officer will have to get stuck into...recruiting refs in all areas of the country so that eventually there will be top level officials based all over the country.

[stann]

Not mistaken Copa, no EL refs down here since Jim O'Neill jacked it. Not sure about assistants, but don't think so either. Except Eddie Foley who doesn't go home anymore but gets folded up and put away with the nets after every game.
So yeah, anyone above junior league level would have to be bussed in.