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    Irish player most likely to be true World Class

    An Irish player who can win a match on his own. Which players coming through might fit that bill. And I being greedy want someone to emerge within the next 2 years.

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    if potter continues to play like he did in america then he is the closest we have..
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    None of them.
    Maybe if Arsenal sign Doyle he can become a true all-time great but i suspect he'll remain as a very good striker for mid-table Premiership teams a la Keane.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noelys Guitar View Post
    An Irish player who can win a match on his own. Which players coming through might fit that bill. And I being greedy want someone to emerge within the next 2 years.
    Given already fits that description.


    Quote Originally Posted by RogerMilla View Post
    if potter continues to play like he did in america then he is the closest we have..

    Are you serious? Potter hasn't a hope, I doubt he'll even be Premiership class. Doyle, Stokes, Garvan and Dixon are the most likely candidates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by youngirish View Post
    Given already fits that description.
    At the risk of being more pedantic than usual, Given saves matches, but can't really win them - I think that we are looking for a Maradona or a Cruyff.
    That question was less stupid, though you asked it in a profoundly stupid way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebeard View Post
    At the risk of being more pedantic than usual, Given saves matches, but can't really win them - I think that we are looking for a Maradona or a Cruyff.
    Point taken but Given has almost singlehandedly won matches for us - Cyprus away a couple of years ago is a classic example.

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    Six months ago I would have said Stokes. Now I'm not sure any of them will be world class. McShane maybe in a few years.
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    Giles took time to develop into a WC player Brady looked the part from the beginning. McGrath took time as did Roy Keane. The one thing they all had in common (apart from being great players) was top sides. It would be great to see an Irish player playing in a team at the top of the Premiership, La Liga or Seria A and being that sides best player.

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    Anything to be said for McGeady? Stokes' hasn't looked comfortable playing for Ireland yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by youngirish View Post
    Given already fits that description.
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    Praise be! We agree on something!. (though he would want to bone up a bit on penalties ...can't recall ever seeing him stop a penalty)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theskinloyal View Post
    Anything to be said for McGeady? Stokes' hasn't looked comfortable playing for Ireland yet.
    Either has McGeady unfortunately
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    In fact, I think I should get both parachutes, in case one doesn't work.

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    Given is the only one. Depressing Fact.

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    Given saved the peno against Cyprus in the 1 - 0 win in 2005

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theskinloyal View Post
    Stokes' hasn't looked comfortable playing for Ireland yet.
    All I can say is thank God he came on against San Marino (made a difference immediately) and nearly scored twice in Boston. OK, one he should have scored (lifted over keeper and just over the bar) and once when keeper made a brilliant save from a superb 25 yard shot.

    He takes a bit too much out of it and is a bit selfish, but "hasn't looked comfortable" is a bit harsh for a 19 year old.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuttgart88 View Post
    All I can say is thank God he came on against San Marino (made a difference immediately) and nearly scored twice in Boston. OK, one he should have scored (lifted over keeper and just over the bar) and once when keeper made a brilliant save from a superb 25 yard shot.

    He takes a bit too much out of it and is a bit selfish, but "hasn't looked comfortable" is a bit harsh for a 19 year old.
    I think that shot showed what's missing from Stokes's game at the moment, to just shoot directly would have been easier to score, the keeper left an amount of space on the far post, but he went for the spectacular and missed.
    He needs to learn when is it appropriate to do something like that (some might argue Robbie Keane still hasn't learned that) to make him more of an all round player. At the Germany U-19 game, he was stepping up to take every free kick, and wasting them by going for goal. Sheridan took one after coming on where he drove it in low, and nearly led to a goal. As has been often said of Henry, Stokes wants to be a scorer of great goals, rather than a great goalscorer. It has to be remembered, he is still only 19 and has plenty of time to learn.
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    A lot of his Falkirk goals were straightforward affairs though. At the German game we didn't put enough pressure on them for Stokes, Sheridan or Rooney to hunt in the box, they had to do it all outside the box. He does look a bit of a peacock alright but the raw talent is there.

    I just thought it was a bit harsh to say Stokes hasn't looked comfortable at international level yet, in the context of answering who might become world class in the future!

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    Quote Originally Posted by youngirish View Post
    Are you serious? Potter hasn't a hope, I doubt he'll even be Premiership class. .
    Did you watch irelands games in america ? if potter progresses at wolves and can put in performances like those continuously at international level then i'm sure he would move to the premiership and continue to develop ijternationally . it's a hypothetical question and cannot be answered with any level of certainty , he has as much chance as any of the fellas you mentioned , moreso than dixon who hasnt kicked a ball in months and doestn look likely to for a while .
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    At Falkirk Stokes was played as an out and out striker, stand in the box, shoot on sight, like Andy Cole back in the day for Newcastle. I don't think I've seen him play that role for Ireland yet, at any level.
    When he came on against San Marino, he seemed to be coming in from the left wing, in the States he was playing behind the main striker.
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    World Class for me is the top 10 players in the world in their respective position.

    Given is one of the top 5 keepers in the world imo. Duff was world class. Robbie is a very very good premiership player, but isn't world class. Finnan is one of the best right backs around. I would consider him world class. An outstanding defender, which is first and foremost his job. The best rb in the premiership imo.

    That's two world class players in the current Irish squad.


    Of the younger lads, we seem to be blessed with alot of very talented lads. Doyle, McShane and Stokes could become world class. I think Ireland will become a very good international player but I don't think he'll ever be world class.

    I think Potter is definitely good enough to become a very decent international player, but I don't think he'll ever be world class. Mind you, 5 years ago I never would have said Gattuso would have gone on to be world class.

    I haven't seen enough of O'Dea, but he looks like he could be a top player.

    McGeady appears too light weight to become world class. He gets bundled off the ball too easily. I couldn't picture him offering much against the very best Italian or Argentinian defenders for example.

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    I'm hoping Stephen Ireland progresses next year. He already has the knack of being in the right place at the right time to score vital goals and he's cool as a cucumber when one-on-one (unlike robbie keane who sh*ts himself).

    If eriksson takes over city, i think he'd fancy ireland and have him as their playmaker behind one (or two) strikers. I think we'd see the best of him then

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