Who is playing who in Europe?

**OneRedArmy** · 10/07/2007, 7:51 PM

Thank God UEFA actually have a system that allows you to settle rows like this by comparing the performance of clubs in different European leagues based on their European competition performances over a defined period of time.

Its called club coefficients.

Thank you and good night....

**Lux Interior** · 10/07/2007, 8:23 PM

Originally Posted by Graemerz

Oh, we are now discussing invitational soccer tournaments held in the the USA that Linfield were invited to but declined due to the "never on a sunday rule".. They then went to Glentoran who eagerly accepted.. Glentoran then defeated basketball players and ice cream men in games of soccer and then were crowned Viennetta Champions of Europe using the now infamous name the Detroit C*nts. How could ever reaching the European Champions Cup quarter final ever top this? Steve we're both stupid here, Linfield can never top the achievements of the Detroit C*nts defeating ice cream men and Derry City reaching the 3rd round of the UEFA Cup.

Still banned from the ILF then?

Don't forget to mention which mighties you beat to get into the EC 1/4 final

**Graemerz** · 10/07/2007, 10:44 PM

Originally Posted by Lux Interior

Still banned from the ILF then?

Yup, just got re-banned this afternoon. Reason stated was: None and the ban will be lifted: Never.

**waide** · 11/07/2007, 1:00 PM

The only true system to compare linfield and Derry in recent times is the setanta cup as it is the only competition that both teams have faced each other competitively in recent times.I don't think there can be any argument as to which team comes out on top as derry have either failed to qualify or progress from the group stages.it would not be fair to go back to the days when derry were an i l side as the contest would then become embarrassing.

**OneRedArmy** · 11/07/2007, 1:32 PM

Originally Posted by waide

The only true system to compare linfield and Derry in recent times is the setanta cup as it is the only competition that both teams have faced each other competitively in recent times.I don't think there can be any argument as to which team comes out on top as derry have either failed to qualify or progress from the group stages.it would not be fair to go back to the days when derry were an i l side as the contest would then become embarrassing.

I'm not surprised you'd prefer not to be compared on European performance....but the club coefficient is what it is.

I'll say it again, 3 draws and 1 victory does exactly amount to dominance in a competition you play in mid-season and we play in pre/early season.

As for the Irish League, its over 35 years and counting since we were excluded. About as relevant as your European Cup quarter final.

Anyway, I'll let you go back to putting 5 or 6 past teams like Limavady and Institute....

**Steve Bruce** · 11/07/2007, 1:36 PM

Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

I'm not surprised you'd prefer not to be compared on European performance....but the club coefficient is what it is.

I'll say it again, 3 draws and 1 victory does exactly amount to dominance in a competition you play in mid-season and we play in pre/early season.

As for the Irish League, its over 35 years and counting since we were excluded. About as relevant as your European Cup quarter final.

Anyway, I'll let you go back to putting 5 or 6 past teams like Limavady and Institute....

We'll let you go to battling in mid-table mediocrity.

**Graemerz** · 11/07/2007, 2:07 PM

Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

I'm not surprised you'd prefer not to be compared on European performance....but the club coefficient is what it is.

I'll say it again, 3 draws and 1 victory does exactly amount to dominance in a competition you play in mid-season and we play in pre/early season.

As for the Irish League, its over 35 years and counting since we were excluded. About as relevant as your European Cup quarter final.

Anyway, I'll let you go back to putting 5 or 6 past teams like Limavady and Institute....

Lets look at it another way, back in 2005, we again became something you have never been All-Ireland Champions defeating Shelbourne in their own back yard, the following year we repeated it again at Windsor. This was the same Shelbourne team that beat you to the league title last year.. That must have hurt like hell, aye?

**OneRedArmy** · 11/07/2007, 2:20 PM

Originally Posted by Steve Bruce

We'll let you go to battling in mid-table mediocrity.

It ain't over yet, half way through the season, we'll not win it but we'll be higher up than we are now.

In a decent League.

Originally Posted by Graemerz

Lets look at it another way, back in 2005, we again became something you have never been All-Ireland Champions defeating Shelbourne in their own back yard, the following year we repeated it again at Windsor. This was the same Shelbourne team that beat you to the league title last year.. That must have hurt like hell, aye?.

You obviously know nothing about our head to head record against Shels over the past 4 years.

Go and do a little research, particularly on our recent record at Tolka and then come back.

**Graemerz** · 11/07/2007, 2:36 PM

Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

It ain't over yet, half way through the season, we'll not win it but we'll be higher up than we are now.

In a decent League.

You obviously know nothing about our head to head record against Shels over the past 4 years.

Go and do a little research, particularly on our recent record at Tolka and then come back.

So head to head now suits you in the arguement?

**NY Hoop** · 11/07/2007, 2:41 PM

Originally Posted by Graemerz

Lets look at it another way, back in 2005, we again became something you have never been All-Ireland Champions defeating Shelbourne in their own back yard, the following year we repeated it again at Windsor. This was the same Shelbourne team that beat you to the league title last year.. That must have hurt like hell, aye?

All Ireland Champions my hole. The true test was in Europe when Shels hammered Glentoran.

KOH

**waide** · 11/07/2007, 2:42 PM

You can't compare loi & il teams in Europe because there is no doubting that you are living off the backs of shels and corks european results of the past,if derry ever do go on to achieve anything of real substance in terms of trophies you will be as bad as the english of 66.

**Graemerz** · 11/07/2007, 2:53 PM

Originally Posted by NY Hoop

All Ireland Champions my hole. The true test was in Europe when Shels hammered Glentoran.

KOH

The same Glentoran team that failed to beat Linfield in the past two years (bar a penalty shoot-out) one of which was a 6-0 hammering and a Shelbourne team that never beat us home or away.

**OneRedArmy** · 11/07/2007, 3:56 PM

Originally Posted by waide

You can't compare loi & il teams in Europe because there is no doubting that you are living off the backs of shels and corks european results of the past,if derry ever do go on to achieve anything of real substance in terms of trophies you will be as bad as the english of 66.

We're living off the back of 3 wins and 2 draws in our last campaign, at least until next week anyway.

The past indeed...

PS We're one of the most successful teams since we've joined the LoI, you may have missed that.

**Lux Interior** · 11/07/2007, 4:00 PM

Originally Posted by Graemerz

The same Glentoran team that failed to beat Linfield in the past two years (bar a penalty shoot-out) one of which was a 6-0 hammering and a Shelbourne team that never beat us home or away.

No, they were the two champions of their respective leagues when they met in European CHAMPION competition the summer of 2005 so his point is certainly valid. Think you'd best check the chronology of events you listed above before you get ass-raped on here again.

Now, back to that Euro 1/4 final ..... tres bonbons