apologies if this has already been talked about but ive been off this for the last month....
have many people seen this?.....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lB7keHZ4yJ8 got to about 5.40 and it prooves just how poor the standard of refereeing is here
I don't think one incident can prove much, really.
Yes, there are some poor referees, and there are some good ones. I'll come up with one some time...
Edit - that said, did the ref just send someone off because he (the ref) walked backwards into him?!
Last edited by pineapple stu; 18/06/2007 at 7:54 PM.
That's unbelievable.Originally Posted by feo123
We're not arrogant, we're just better.
Now that is truly and utterly astounding. That's incredible... and I can't believe I'm going to type this... but I feel sorry for Shels. Unbelievable.
it's the worst decision ive seen in LOI i think. truly amazing
although did superbly to get in there quickly on the second dismissal to get the Shels player off the pitch as soon as possible to prevent it getting even more out of hand.
all i can assume there is that the second Shels player also said something to the referee as he stepped back to provoke a second yellow.
Anyway - the thread so far is fine - as long as it doesn't decend into the usual bitching and going off on one about other incidents it'll remain open.
Kom Igen, FCK...
Ah-ha - just as I surmised.
From the Athlone Town site.Alan Murphy soon followed him off for dissent as he argued too much with Sutton over Lacey's dismissal.
Kom Igen, FCK...
First this is in no way defending the ref but it is unfair comment the way you have on that without knowing the full story.
That sending off was just after a Shelbourne player was sent off for a lunge at O'Dowd and things at that stage were a little heated.
Did anyone see the referees report to confirm what he was sent off for as it could have been for something he said as was the first impression most of us had including some of the Shels lads I spoke to after the match.
Padraig Sutton is a regular at our matches and always seems to have some debatable decisions but fair play to him and all referrees for being willing to do this job as it is one I definitely wouldn't do.
Oh..my........god
Who Cares?!
tbh after watching it a few times i wouldnt say its for arguing about the decision too much.
the ref is clearly running backwards in the shels players direction and the shels player can be seen putting out his hands and pushing him as a form of defense to stop him just bumping into him... it then looks like the ref thinks he's just had a shove at him for no reason!!.... anyone agree?
There's the right way, the wrong way.... and the Max Power way!! :-D
Agreed, that's what I first thought at the game.
Who Cares?!
I'm with the Battery Rover on this one.
He may well have pushed the official and as he did said something like "Watch where you're going - that was a joke decision you ******", or something similar.
Only way we would find out is if the content or outline of the report is made public (which they never are, in line with UEFA Procedures).
The report on the Athlone website (which I linked to the relevant section above) - would have been clairified with the player or the officials after the game - it's common practise for the officials, etc. to give reason for a caution/dismissal if asked after the match.
Haven't got access to the video here in work - but iirc from watching it last night - the referee gave the Shels lad a second yellow to dismiss him. A push on a referee is a striaght red - dissent is a yellow.
From these facts we can make a pretty good determination that he was dismissed for something he said.
Oh - and any more mongy references to other referees in here (take note theskinloyal) will be binned straight off.
Kom Igen, FCK...
Thing is though RT - one comment of this nature and some of the more easily led elements think it's free reign to spout forth the delusional crap from their keyboards.
See any "trouble at games", Bohs - Rovers, Shels debts, Cork vs. the Known Universe or "OMG Sean Connor is the Antichrist becuase he went onto better things" thread.
This is merely a proactive measure - saves on the inevitable calling for cards, freaking out, moaning, and all out abuse outcomes...
Kom Igen, FCK...
Just so we know, what was the "mongy" part of the comment - implying that Graham Poll might not have been the best ref in the world or implying that the ref in the video was like Graham Poll
For what it's worth, I think refs are far too lenient with backchat and, if the Shels player did say something, he was more than justified in giving a second yellow. They should bring in a zero tolerance policy like in rugby (one of the few sports where the players have to show respect for the officials).
SIGNATURESCOPE
The manager can go to the referees room after the match and ask about any decision that was made for clarification. I would be pretty sure whoever was in charge that night while the manager was on holidays would have done this as it would be a normal procedure.
Maybe one of the Shels lads is on contact terms with the club and could find out what the referees report states or just get clarification from the person in charge that night.
If the refs report said it was for a push I am sure the club would have appealed the red card immediately.
That night there were two cameras at the ground Eric from Shels and myself so there was no lack of video footage to overturn it.
RT - I'm all for that - as long as it's CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM - and not a deluded "foaming at the mouth" style ranting hatchet job - which invariably these things do decend into.
It may come as a surprise to you and many on here - but a few years ago before you registered on here we actually had a "Referees" subforum on here - setup to answer queries put by people on Law, to calmly debate the issues arising from games.
It was shelved in the end due to the amount of rubbish being spouted in it - much like you see in threads of this time nowadays - the aforementioned "foaming at the mouth" rant with no merit or redeeming features therein.
Unfortunately with the amount of cash swimming about the game today (not necesarily in our little league here) and the amount of TV coverage, camera angles, slo-motion replays, mistakes and errors cannot helped but be highlighted, disected, and debated until the protagonists are blue in the face.
This consequently puts the referee some way into the spotlight - there are ordinary football fans in Spain that can reel off the full list of referees in La Liga along with where they're from, what games they did, how many cards and penalties they'd awarded so far this season without skipping a beat.
Newsflash - there have been errors and controversy strewn throughout the game since it's organised inception in the North of England on September 8th 1888 - only we didn't get Sky back then and these incidents weren't debated to death - we simply got on with it.
To close and address the second point - thought it was clear from the other supposed thread types I listed that it was a bit of over the top banter (ergo the "RRS" references).
I have however noticed that anything which happens and is posted concerning SC or his previous dealings and current job on here gets met with the kind of Witchfinder General treatment from some quarters up in the North West.
Methinks you may need to return the sarcasm detector for repairs - it doesn't seem to be working...
Kom Igen, FCK...
Was that two yellows seconds apart? Bloody hell. Réiteoir could be right, there may have been something said, but I doubt it. What's more, even if there was, it doesn't justify sending him off. Pathetic refereeing.
as BR said - we can ruminate and hypothesise all we like - we do need clairification from someone who is privy to the full information
Kom Igen, FCK...
There are exactly two of those, and both of them are biased.
You'll see when the suspensions come out - how many games he gets done for.
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