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I thought we (Southerners) are meant to be tolerant. For ****s sake we allowed a Gay parade down O'Connell Street, and thats alot worse than a few bands and union jacks.
Tho if republicans want to show themselves up yet again, i wont stop them.
It is Republicans who are to blame for the fears and worries over this march, the Northerners coming down are the families and friends of Victims if the Republican Movement. Their Grief is our Shame.
"No one could make a greater mistake than he who did nothing because he could do only a little." - Edmund Burke
[QUOTE=rebelarmyexile;712364]I thought we (Southerners) are meant to be tolerant. For ****s sake we allowed a Gay parade down O'Connell Street, and thats alot worse than a few bands and union jacks.
You should join the DUP.You seem like you would be right at home.
ya well then let them march in there own ''country''.... you dont see republicans going over to england frm the north to have a march in london do ya??(ooohh and i remember i saw a documentary frm panoroma on BBC about chelsea headhunters and how a few orchestrated an attack on a bloodly sunday parade, typical!!)Originally Posted by rebelarmyexile
so what if a few gays walked down there....there the most harmless bunch of society and are irish arent they?, only seperated frm the rest of us like ppl say in wheelchairs...irish 100% just expressing there differant life...... cant believe you'd compare homo's with ''love ulster'' marchers who shouldnt even be on this island anyway!!.
There's the right way, the wrong way.... and the Max Power way!! :-D
Excellent sentiment.
If there is a ridiculous post of the month you've got it sewn up......Jesus H Christ
Shame? for you maybe, but then you do live in Clontarf so you are in the thick of it all
By the way....did any of ye guys see Wayne Maccullogh in the Shankill last night, looked like a decent enough place to visit, going down all those dark alleys though made me wonder how many catholics were beaten there, still it was interesting to see the other side and how they live
Well thats a charming point of view. do you hate protestants asweel? do they not belong here? what about immigrants? should they be allowed here
"No one could make a greater mistake than he who did nothing because he could do only a little." - Edmund Burke
interesting that its mostly non-Dubs defending the UDA's right to march in Dublin.....I live in Dublin...Location: Dublin 7
Day Tripper thugs saw last year as an excuse to riot & get steal some runners. If they only rioted to stop the Love Ulster parade why then did they vandalise random property & steal from shops?
I believe it is wrong to allow such an insignificant minority dictate to the other 99.9% of the Nation.
How's that a lot worse? I'll refrain from calling you names as it would only get me in trouble
Can I first of all say I find the "wrap the green flag round me boys" sentiment that Mypost and a few others here are indulging nonsensical.
BUT -and perhaps this is one of the downsides of the controversy around "the parade" rather than those parading - Love Ulster is sadly and quite sinisterly far beyond the families and friends of Victims if the Republican Movement. I would robustly challenge the notion of their grief being our shame ...or at least any more shame than any other actual victim of the troubles. There are no nationalists in Love Ulster and no Nationalist victims of any Loyalist, Republican or State sponsored violence commemorated by them. They are highly equivocal on the issue of who deserves victim status and who, to be vulgar about it, "got what they'd coming to them." In the latter category they'll happily cast a wide net to include such vagaries as "known republican sympathisers" for example. Known to whom? ...and on what damning evidence? It's a position that's not a million miles from "any Taig'll do" when applied.
I believe William Frazer (who is a nutjob and a damaged nutjob at that who the Northern authorites have repeatedly seen fit to deny access to licenced firearms) SHOULD be allowed march in Dublin, though I don't buy the entire "right to march" concept as advanced by those of the Orange persuasion generally for example.
He should be allowed to march exactly because Loyalty, or in his case lack of loyalty (even outright hostility) to this state should not preclude the right to peaceful freedom of assembly. Note the word peaceful now ...because there are those, some on here, who think this great little country and it's wonderful flag need defending from people who think differently to the point where they'll rip the sh1t out of our capital city and attack the law enforcemnt agencies of the state, the press and innocent bystanders and go on a wave of destruction and looting to show us what great Uber-Gaels they are.
By the way your comments on Homosexuals -made as they were in the 21st Century - are pretty disgusting.
" I wish to God that someone would be able to block out the voices in my head for five minutes, the voices that scream, over and over again: "Why do they come to me to die?"
Vandalism is part and parcel of all riots, be it in Ireland or Indonesia.If they only rioted to stop the Love Ulster parade why then did they vandalise random property & steal from shops?
I believe it is wrong to allow such an insignificant minority dictate to the other 99.9% of the Nation.
On the contrary, 99.99% of the nation don't want them to march here. It's the insignificant minority that do.
nobody is defending rent a mob opportunists, but to say that 99.9% of the nation support the UVF marching in Dublin is a preposterous thing to sayI live in Dublin...
Day Tripper thugs saw last year as an excuse to riot & get steal some runners. If they only rioted to stop the Love Ulster parade why then did they vandalise random property & steal from shops?
I believe it is wrong to allow such an insignificant minority dictate to the other 99.9% of the Nation.
I think we allow them to have the march then the night before sneak in put up a load of banners and signs saying "FREE THE PEADO'S MARCH " here today . and run off sniggering .
Good old superhands ( Peep show fans will get the reference )
Ok 99.9% is a bit much but its no more incorrect than it suggested above that 99.9% of people don't want them here.
Lets put it this way - 99.9% of people did not try to stop the march i.e. they ignored & got on with their life.
I know the organisers probably want trouble so they can tell everyone why a United Ireland not possible but do we have to fall for the bait?
Excellent post Lionel Ritchie - fair and balanced, recognises the place of people with beliefs contrary to your own, doesn't resort to name calling, and addresses the point in hand, and no use of the word FACT! This is how our political discussion here should be conducted.
Might I suggest posting a copy to the Ceann Comhairle.
Sound like this snippet should be included in the letter...
Last edited by Bluebeard; 27/06/2007 at 12:30 PM.
That question was less stupid, though you asked it in a profoundly stupid way.
Help me, Arthur Murphy, you're my only hope!
that logic reminds me of a bloke in work who announced that because 'only' 200,000 people marched against the Iraq war, 3.6m must support it.
As one of only two photographers authorised to travel on the buses and be within the FAIR Campaign marchers in Dublin last year, i can catagorically tell you there were Nationalists and Catholics involved. I was talking with an elderly gentleman (Catholic) and his wife who lost the son (RUC officer), another example was a whole family from the Falls road (all catholic) whose son was mistakenly killed by the PIRA as they thought he was a drug dealer.
The media and general public has put out this view that FAIR is a Loyalist ONLY Victims group, this is totally untrue.
Willie Frazer's work in the South Armagh region has been applauded by both sectors of societys. his assistance helped the psni and guardi nail spud murphy.
"No one could make a greater mistake than he who did nothing because he could do only a little." - Edmund Burke
I think Lionel's post above is most representative of the average Irish persons views on FAIR, Love Ulster and the march.
A small minority will welcome and support it (like Rebelarmyexile) just as a small minority feel so strongly against it that they will protest or attack.
That leaves a huge swathe of people in the middle who don't support it but recognise modern Ireland is about people's rights to freedom of expression.
aaahhhh, so you are connected to the group.
Do FAIR commerate the victims of Loyalist or State violence? If not, why not?
Is/was Wille Frazer a member of the UVF?
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