Bigger 'Love Ulster' parade planned for Dublin...

**Dodge** · 22/06/2007, 8:49 AM

Its not about accepting Northern Irish prodestants, its about a march designed 100% to antagonise people from the Irish republic.

It has nothing to do with loving Ulster, and everything to do with causing trouble. Its all very well to say we should just ignore it, but the real world doesn't work like that.

In no way could I be described as a barstool republican but there is no way this parade should be allowed in ANY city in the 32 counties.

**mypost** · 22/06/2007, 9:48 AM

It doesn't matter where it is, Dublin/Cork/Limerick/Galway, wherever, you put anti-Irish "marchers" in the Irish Republic, there's going to be aggro. That's the way it is.

If they want to march, the UK has 4 countries, plenty of room for British people to protest in it. I'm not a Republican, but i object to such people protesting in my capital city. TV3's poll last night on the march said it all. The Yes vote was 5%.

**Paulie** · 22/06/2007, 10:21 AM

Originally Posted by mypost

TV3's poll last night on the march said it all. The Yes vote was 5%.

With a 5% margin for error.

**Erstwhile B�z** · 22/06/2007, 10:25 AM

Originally Posted by mypost

If they want to march, the UK has 4 countries, plenty of room for British people to protest in it. I'm not a Republican, but i object to such people protesting in my capital city.

Poor Willie. The people who think that he is British don't want him any more than the crowd that think that he is Irish.

**Dodge** · 22/06/2007, 10:39 AM

AFAIK Love Ulster marches are banned in Belfast.

BTW Don't think it'll go through. Can't see the new Min for Justice having the same hard on for republicanism as the last one

**anto1208** · 22/06/2007, 10:42 AM

Originally Posted by mypost

It doesn't matter where it is, Dublin/Cork/Limerick/Galway, wherever, you put anti-Irish "marchers" in the Irish Republic, there's going to be aggro. That's the way it is.

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And thats what they want they know perfectly well coming here to march will cause trouble that way they can turn around and say oh look they will never accept us in a 32 county rep. There is no way it can happen .

And the idiots fall right into the trap , These rioters are so dumb that they think they are fighting them but in fact they are doing excatly what they want .

Ive now heard someone say we should have a love munster march on the same day i dont know whats worse a bunch of moany nordies or a bunch of bandwagon jumping rugbyjocks . (it was that munster he was on about )

reder · 22/06/2007, 11:08 AM

I am shocked that this march has been given the go ahead. Every little scumbag within the length and breadth of the country will be getting a shopping list together in anticipation of the looting.

Also did they not learn last time that a large subsection of the population of southern Ireland are not mature enough yet to deal with something of this nature! The Celtic tiger has created this lure that people in Ireland are these forward thinking open-minded people but when push comes to shove the same old prejudices rise to the surface.

This march is there to commemorate the victims of republican violence. If for one totally support and have sympathy for people who lost friends and family.

Question: If the wife of garda mc cabe decides she wants to be part of this march, should she prevented from walking also?

PS: This is a stroke of utter genius by those who have organised this march. It is going to end up in a riot and thats the best result for extremist. If it passes of peacefully, they will be left scratching their heads!!!

**Dodge** · 22/06/2007, 11:16 AM

Originally Posted by reder

I am shocked that this march has been given the go ahead.

It has not been given the go ahead yet.

Also did they not learn last time that a large subsection of the population of southern Ireland are not mature enough yet to deal with something of this nature!

An outrage claim coming from a non national. Large subsection of the country = less than 200 people? I'm a mature, european embracing Irishman. I am 100% agaisnt this March. Care to explain to me how I'm being immature?

This march is there to commemorate the victims of republican violence.

Is it ****!?!?!? Read up on FAIR and wee Willie and see how you get on

If for one totally support and have sympathy for people who lost friends and family.

As have I

Question: If the wife of garda mc cabe decides she wants to be part of this march, should she prevented from walking also?

Yes

PS: This is a stroke of utter genius by those who have organised this march. It is going to end up in a riot and thats the best result for extremist. If it passes of peacefully, they will be left scratching their heads!!!

It won't pass peacefully

**Erstwhile B�z** · 22/06/2007, 11:32 AM

Originally Posted by reder

Also did they not learn last time that a large subsection of the population of southern Ireland are not mature enough yet to deal with something of this nature!

It was a small subsection of the people of eastern Ireland who rioted.

Originally Posted by reder

This march is there to commemorate the victims of republican violence. If for one totally support and have sympathy for people who lost friends and family.

Do you totally support and have sympathy for them when they fly banners of UVF men involved in bombing Dublin and Monaghan? When they praise other terrorists out of one side of their mouths while condemnig republican terrorists out of the other?

Originally Posted by reder

Question: If the wife of garda mc cabe decides she wants to be part of this march, should she prevented from walking also?

Ridiculous thing to say. Mrs. McCabe, I should imagine, would not be seen dead in the company of supporters of the Dublin and Monaghan bombers. And anyway, just because the poor woman had her husband taken away from her doesn't mean that everything she might choose to do is right.

IF this march was the innocent thing you seem to believe it is, then she could walk till the cows came home. But this next bit seems to indicate that you appreciate that it isn't that simple at all:

Originally Posted by reder

PS: This is a stroke of utter genius by those who have organised this march. It is going to end up in a riot and thats the best result for extremist.

Agree with the first bit. Exactly what they wanted to happen happened last year, with icing and cherries.

Would love for Dublin to completely ignore them, as you go on to suggest, and just be passing by doing their shopping, but that wouldn't happen. Won't go ahead anyway.

**Erstwhile B�z** · 22/06/2007, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by Dodge

I am 100% agaisnt this March.

Grow up, you baby.

reder · 22/06/2007, 11:38 AM

Originally Posted by Erstwhile B�z

Would love for Dublin to completely ignore them, as you go on to suggest, and just be passing by doing their shopping, but that wouldn't happen.

Agree with you 100% on that.

**mypost** · 22/06/2007, 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by anto1208

And thats what they want they know perfectly well coming here to march will cause trouble that way they can turn around and say oh look they will never accept us in a 32 county rep.

They don't care what the Irish people think, so why should we care about them??

If they did care, they wouldn't entertain the idea, full stop.

**jebus** · 22/06/2007, 12:14 PM

having been at the last Love Ulster parade and after having encounters with both the LU (through e mails admittingly) and the rioters I can tell you that this going to cause a world of trouble.

Firstly the LU could never answer fully why they feel they have to march through Dublin, they went on about victims and the like but had no answer for how the victims of the Dublin and Monaghan bombings felt, only that they weren't Unionists, which, if you had checked out their forum at the time was a joke to say. Actually have the Gardai ever checked out the inane threats of some unionists towards Dublin City and its residents on that site before green lighting this march again?

The less said about the level of human qulaities amongst the rioters the better, but a quick check of their forums showed that they were supremely proud of what they did that they, felt they had expelled the unionist threat and will be perfectly happy to do so again this year. All this talk of we growing up as a nation is all well and good amongst people like us, as I'm assuming we're not the type that well through cinder blocks at riot police, but try telling that to the Irish and Scots who will be there on the day and see how far you get with a broken jaw.

The riot police on the day did a good job, but were hopelessly outnumbered, we will need three or four times as many before even thinking of letting the LU parade through Dublin, and thats maybe underestimating the situation, so I really don't see how this has been given the green light.

**pete** · 22/06/2007, 1:41 PM

I don't have a problem with the march as reacting to people like that lets them win. Better to ignore them as that achieves a lot more. This is what 99.95 of people did last time. Banning the march means the thugs from last year win, simple as that. You cannot give in thuggery like that.

I know the Gardai can have a hard job at times but if they can't control a few hundred drunken protestors along a preplanned route then they might as well give up.

Maybe the Gardai would have to get the march to go along a different route that they can control more easily.

**jebus** · 22/06/2007, 3:10 PM

Originally Posted by pete

I know the Gardai can have a hard job at times but if they can't control a few hundred drunken protestors along a preplanned route then they might as well give up

In fairness pete the crowd last year weren't a bunch of yahoos who rolled out of a pub, they were very organised (they had wheelie bins full of glass bottles waiting for them over the O'Connell bridge, knew exactly what they were doing, communicated and gave orders in much the same fashion as modern day hooligan groups and would have given most riot police a tough time, especially one that wasn't allowed use force against the rioters

**bennocelt** · 22/06/2007, 5:33 PM

question? how do you think it looks up north (garvaghy, etc) if the orange KKK are allowed to march triumphantly down Dublin?

**Docboy** · 22/06/2007, 6:19 PM

I think we saw the true measure of the man who is the figurehead of the Love Ulster movement yesterday evening on the RTE news. Dobson took him to the cleaners while Frazer came across as someone looking to make trouble not only here in Dublin but also for the political situation up north.

Should not be allowed, not a chance.

**Lionel Ritchie** · 22/06/2007, 6:30 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

Its not about accepting Northern Irish prodestants, its about a march designed 100% to antagonise people from the Irish republic.

It has nothing to do with loving Ulster, and everything to do with causing trouble. Its all very well to say we should just ignore it, but the real world doesn't work like that.

In no way could I be described as a barstool republican but there is no way this parade should be allowed in ANY city in the 32 counties.

Where's this 'Irish Republic' you speak of? No such place.

**cavan_fan** · 22/06/2007, 8:25 PM

Originally Posted by mypost

If the Garvaghy Road residents won't take marchers down their road, how do you think Dubliners will take it in ours??

This is not a march, this is British triumphalism attepting to bulldoze it's way into our capital city, and the people of Dublin won't allow it. If the Gardai will, the people won't, so no matter where they want to march, it won't happen.

This is not British triumphalism, I defy you to find a reasonable British (not NI) person who supports these bigots.

**pete** · 22/06/2007, 9:29 PM

Originally Posted by bennocelt

question? how do you think it looks up north (garvaghy, etc) if the orange KKK are allowed to march triumphantly down Dublin?

It shows them how to behave in a mature manner.

In the UK I believe the police can order known hooligans against being near football grounds on certain days. Do the Gardai have similar powers here?