Manhunt 2 Banned

[anto1208]

There was a girl on who works in a video rental shop she refused to give a 18's game to a 8 year old , The mother came in ate the head off her for making her get out of the car and got the game for him anyway .

Now i reckon a great mum like that would be a lot worse for any kid growing up than any game since your parent are your main influence at the age

[BohsPartisan]

You don't see people screaming in pain as their throat is slashed on the evening news.

Its only a matter of time.
Actually if you got to see people screaming in pain on Big Brother I might tune in.

[bellavistaman]

Absolute horse**** in my opinion. Listen to the anti-gaming lobby and they'll tell you GTA, Manhunt etc. are whats responsible for the kids of today being out of control, then listen to their pathetic attempts at justifing this stance. If a game is given an 18s cert then its shouldn't be sold to anyone under 18, legally this should be enough. I've worked in HMV and Virgin and I've refused (against my better judgement) to sell GTA to kids of 13/14/etc. because I know the trouble it could cause. But besides that all of this anti-game hysteria just shifts the real blame for kids being involved in crime away from their own parents.

I remember after ManHunt 1 had been released some British teenager got stabbed to death and they tried to blame it on the game, saying it gave the murdering teenager pyschotic thoughts, I mean where do you start trying to have a discussion with someone who believes that?

Totally agree, they always use the games as a excuse its ridiculous. An absolute joke, what about all the other millions who played the same game and living normal lives. Suppose were the ones who have problems, the one person who kills some1 is the person who, was a lovely fella 100% influenced by the game. Not right like. Dont see how a game could influence you to killl some1, besides the last time i played fifa and seen how much it changed for the worse, by god if i met a Fifa employee then...

[Sheridan]

The game in question Manhunt is for the Wii and the emphasis is to kill by using the wiimote as a weapon ie a knife or club. So ehh repeated stabbing actions or throat cutting

If anyone ever tries to stab me, I hope they use a wiimote.

[anto1208]

Its not like there where no voilent attacks before Playstations came along im nearly sure there was a world war or 2 not possitve ill have to google it

[superfrank]

Its not like there where no voilent attacks before Playstations came along im nearly sure there was a world war or 2 not possitve ill have to google it

Sure didn't you know Risk is the national pastime of Germany?

[Raheny Red]

If anyone ever tries to stab me, I hope they use a wiimote.

POTM

[BohsPartisan]

Sure didn't you know Risk is the national pastime of Germany?

When I was on holidays in Greece there was a lot of Germans in our apartment block. They used to sit on the balcony playing Yahtzee. Can you imagine how disturbing it is to be dozing off in bed and all of a sudden you here a German voice screaming out "Yahtzee!"?

[Calcio Jack]

I think it is a very good idea to ban such games. I fully understand the view that by doing so it will only encourage some kids to buy it via mail order. However I think as a society it is quiet correct for us to state that we feel that the type of violence contained in the game is not acceptable... just like we have banned the death penalty in Ireland it may not stop it happening in other countries but at least we are making a statement.

In relationship to censorship I find it very sad that we allow lots of soft porn magazines to be freely displayed in local newsagents.... I find it sad because IMO because it means for kids that a little bit of what being a kid is , is robbed from them.. I suspect many of the contributors here don't have kids and might make the point that we shouldn't be living in a nanny state... however I think (and indeed hope) that when you have your own kids you'll feel different...basically it annoys the hell out of me that when i go into a newsagent with my kids to buy a paper they are exposed to such crap.... IMO we have lost something in terms of balance between what is and isn't acceptable behaviour and that's a real shame... I don't want to go back to the puritanical ways of the 1960's and before just think that as a society we seem to now think that freedom of choice on all matters is the only game in town...as against temparing that concept with a little bit more common sense.

[John83]

There's a difference between restricting it from children and banning it outright CJ.

[GavinZac]

I suspect many of the contributors here don't have kids and might make the point that we shouldn't be living in a nanny state... however I think (and indeed hope) that when you have your own kids you'll feel different...basically it annoys the hell out of me that when i go into a newsagent with my kids to buy a paper they are exposed to such crap.... IMO we have lost something in terms of balance between what is and isn't acceptable behaviour and that's a real shame...

If you don't like it, dont take your kids there. You are as much to fault for exposing your kids to it as anyone, you've brought them to a private establishment. Shop somewhere else, leave the kids at home, or stop trying to ram your elitist moralism down other people's throats.

i'm sick of parents blaming everyone but themselves for their kids behaviour or "savvy"ness

[anto1208]

I think it is a very good idea to ban such games. I fully understand the view that by doing so it will only encourage some kids to buy it via mail order. However I think as a society it is quiet correct for us to state that we feel that the type of violence contained in the game is not acceptable... just like we have banned the death penalty in Ireland it may not stop it happening in other countries but at least we are making a statement.

In relationship to censorship I find it very sad that we allow lots of soft porn magazines to be freely displayed in local newsagents.... I find it sad because IMO because it means for kids that a little bit of what being a kid is , is robbed from them.. I suspect many of the contributors here don't have kids and might make the point that we shouldn't be living in a nanny state... however I think (and indeed hope) that when you have your own kids you'll feel different...basically it annoys the hell out of me that when i go into a newsagent with my kids to buy a paper they are exposed to such crap.... IMO we have lost something in terms of balance between what is and isn't acceptable behaviour and that's a real shame... I don't want to go back to the puritanical ways of the 1960's and before just think that as a society we seem to now think that freedom of choice on all matters is the only game in town...as against temparing that concept with a little bit more common sense.

How come you( or anyone for that matter) know whats best for me ? Why cant i make up my own mind

While i dont have kids i do remember what it was like to be a kid , When i was a kid i wasnt a moron ( some may argue that has changed in my later years ) I knew the difference between a game a movie and real life . I think people dont give kids enough credit .

Believe me your kids probibly dont even notice those mags so the only person it effects is you , They are looking at the sweets or comics . i remember me and my mates found a nudey mag when we where 8 or 9 we all had a look had a giggle threw it away and went off playing football . It had no bad effect on me what so ever .

But this is off topic This isnt for kids this is saying to me as an adult im not aloud to play this game , That i need protecting from this game . Do you realise how stupid and insulting that is .

[jebus]

I think it is a very good idea to ban such games. I fully understand the view that by doing so it will only encourage some kids to buy it via mail order. However I think as a society it is quiet correct for us to state that we feel that the type of violence contained in the game is not acceptable... just like we have banned the death penalty in Ireland it may not stop it happening in other countries but at least we are making a statement.

In relationship to censorship I find it very sad that we allow lots of soft porn magazines to be freely displayed in local newsagents.... I find it sad because IMO because it means for kids that a little bit of what being a kid is , is robbed from them.. I suspect many of the contributors here don't have kids and might make the point that we shouldn't be living in a nanny state... however I think (and indeed hope) that when you have your own kids you'll feel different...basically it annoys the hell out of me that when i go into a newsagent with my kids to buy a paper they are exposed to such crap.... IMO we have lost something in terms of balance between what is and isn't acceptable behaviour and that's a real shame... I don't want to go back to the puritanical ways of the 1960's and before just think that as a society we seem to now think that freedom of choice on all matters is the only game in town...as against temparing that concept with a little bit more common sense.

Yeah its a shame we're not the same backward country we always were alright, for me there's no gray area when it comes to restrictions on entertainment, either we live in a society where you are allowed to think for yourself on these matters, or we don't.

Look I don't have children, but I'm also not one myself, and should be allowed make my own mind up as to whether I want to buy this game or not, I wouldn't, but thats besides the point. Do you really think one game is going to warp a child's mind? And that's assuming he/she gets their hands on a copy, which they shouldn't if their parents are doing their job. In my experience if a child is from a good home, and has loving, supportive parents then they turn out alright, watching or playing something as graphic as this game won't make a bloody difference.

As for the restrictions, well as I've said I, and actually most people I've worked with, have always enforced the 18s cert on movies and games, and we have had parents complain about us stopping their kids buying the product, much like the story anto told earlier on, on one occasion in particular a mother and son (roughly 12) came up to the counter with GTA Vice City and she asked me if the game was suitable, because sometimes she thought the 18s cert was given out harshly (I agree with her on that). I said that honestly I thought that this game was a bit too much for a kid her son's age, if he was 15 I wouldn't have said that, but he looked about 12 so I used my own judgement. I laid out what the game was about (gangs, contract killings, hookers, swearing etc.) as my reasons. So after all that she looked at her son, he said 'please', and she bought it for him anyway. In fairness to her at leats she took an interest in what he was playing, and probably watched some of it when he got it home, but most parents don't give a toss what their child is doing as long as it's not in front of them to be honest. So blaming the gaming industry and the sellers when this type of attitude is common in our society is just a cop out in my opinion. Parents should take full responsibility for what comes into their houses, not Rockstar, HMV, or anyone else.

On another note, Manhunt 2 wasn't all that anticipated by the gaming community I think, given that Manhunt 1 turned out to be a bit dull, but now the interest level has gone through the roof and everyone wants to get a copy, either to see what the fuss is about this time, or just purely to stick it to the man

[Calcio Jack]

Interesting to see the comments that I've drawn.... (1) I believe in freedom of expression (2) I don't want a throw back to the Catholic Church run/dictatorship we had (3) Adults of course should be allowed to make up their own minds on what they should see etc. (5) My wife and i of course keep a check on what comes into our home and what TV programmes we let our children see. For example I don't allow my kids (u/10 watch programmes such as East Enders) reason being , aside from them been rubbish, is that I don't feel it necessary to let them watch programmes that IMO are full of very derpessing characters. That doesn't mean that my kids don't know what goes on in the world it's just a case of letting them be kids... all the crap of the world will become clear to them soon enough. (6) As to saying that I shouldn't bring my kids into shops if I don't like what they have on display on the magazine racks...well my point is that they have a right to go in and buy their Beanos etc but it is a pity that they have to see 'top shelf'mags .

So all I'm saying is that freedom comes in many guises and along side it comes a requirement to have the maturity to enjoy freedom and IMO we are forcing the freedom to see unsuitable material onto young kids, who IMO don't have the maturity to deal with such material.... sure i agree that it may not do any harm in most cases... that still doesn't make it right

So i'm not here to lecture to anyone.... but i do reserve my freedom to hold the view that as a parent I actually know what is best for my kids and when necessary have to enjure grief from them when I won't allow them to watch certain programmes etc... i think it is a pity that 'nowadays' more parents aren't able to say 'no' to their kids when it comes to 12 years olds as outlined being allowed to see/play violent video games (of course I acknowledge the right of the parent in question to make that decision) rather than take the easy option and pander to them.

Anyway all any of us can do is to try our best.

[anto1208]

Interesting to see the comments that I've drawn.... (1) I believe in freedom of expression (2) I don't want a throw back to the Catholic Church run/dictatorship we had (3) Adults of course should be allowed to make up their own minds on what they should see etc. (5) My wife and i of course keep a check on what comes into our home and what TV programmes we let our children see. For example I don't allow my kids (u/10 watch programmes such as East Enders) reason being , aside from them been rubbish, is that I don't feel it necessary to let them watch programmes that IMO are full of very derpessing characters. That doesn't mean that my kids don't know what goes on in the world it's just a case of letting them be kids... all the crap of the world will become clear to them soon enough. (6) As to saying that I shouldn't bring my kids into shops if I don't like what they have on display on the magazine racks...well my point is that they have a right to go in and buy their Beanos etc but it is a pity that they have to see 'top shelf'mags .

So all I'm saying is that freedom comes in many guises and along side it comes a requirement to have the maturity to enjoy freedom and IMO we are forcing the freedom to see unsuitable material onto young kids, who IMO don't have the maturity to deal with such material.... sure i agree that it may not do any harm in most cases... that still doesn't make it right

So i'm not here to lecture to anyone.... but i do reserve my freedom to hold the view that as a parent I actually know what is best for my kids and when necessary have to enjure grief from them when I won't allow them to watch certain programmes etc... i think it is a pity that 'nowadays' more parents aren't able to say 'no' to their kids when it comes to 12 years olds as outlined being allowed to see/play violent video games (of course I acknowledge the right of the parent in question to make that decision) rather than take the easy option and pander to them.

Anyway all any of us can do is to try our best.

What about number 4


Well its very clear that the parent is often the last person that knows whats right for there kids maybe not in this case but in so many cases .

Also top shelf mags are on the top shelf therefore your under 10 kids cant reach or see them even .

But you keep bringing up your kids this isnt about kids or bad parenting its about adults being able to choose whats best for themselves , I dont see where your point about forcing unsuitable material on kids is coming from no one is claiming that kids should be alloud to play this game allthough i wonder about what harm if any it would do .

I think it is a very good idea to ban such games. I fully understand the view that by doing so it will only encourage some kids to buy it via mail order. However I think as a society it is quiet correct for us to state that we feel that the type of violence contained in the game is not acceptable.

So you are not only saying you know whats best for your kids but you also know whats best for the rest of us , Not having a pop at you but you are advocating banning an adult item .You seem to be stuck on the idea that its only kids that play games .

There is an arguement ( not one id subcribe to )that exposing kids to such games will teach them that if you shoot or stab one one they will die .
How many stories have we seen about kids finding there parents gun and shooting there mate thinking that they will get back up like in the cartoons .

Kids are like women they want what they cant have as soon as they get it they will loose interest .

[kdjaC]

There's a difference between restricting it from children and banning it outright CJ.

Tbh thats the problem and what anto1208 seen i have also seen a game employee not selling a game, mother comes in buys it hands it to the kid.

Censorship isnt wrong but its should be called ratingship and used and strictly stuck too by retailers and parents. The problem isnt the game as it looks ****e anyway its the way the media protray it. Ffs the Sun had a big thing on it with a pic from resident evil 4 (next week on wii ...groovy)

Rockstar never intended for this game to come out, they know how to get their name in the press and i would bet that in GTA4 there is loads of references to manhunt 2. They make a super violent game for wii and ps2 only.. yeah right.


kdjac

[gilberto_eire]

democracy my a*se!!.

i like my games gorey...and my pornos animal'y

[Calcio Jack]

What about number 4

oops !!


Well its very clear that the parent is often the last person that knows whats right for there kids maybe not in this case but in so many cases .

Also top shelf mags are on the top shelf therefore your under 10 kids cant reach or see them even .

My point is that kids can see them

But you keep bringing up your kids this isnt about kids or bad parenting its about adults being able to choose whats best for themselves , I dont see where your point about forcing unsuitable material on kids is coming from no one is claiming that kids should be alloud to play this game allthough i wonder about what harm if any it would do .

Accept I've gone off topic but my point is that I think it is a pity that newsagents have soft porn where kids can see the covers



So you are not only saying you know whats best for your kids but you also know whats best for the rest of us , Not having a pop at you but you are advocating banning an adult item .You seem to be stuck on the idea that its only kids that play games .

Not saying only i know what is best for them...but I am saying that ultimately IMO it is up to my Mrs and I to guide them as best we can and based on rearing them we have a fairly good idea as to what's best for them...we're not perfect but we do our best to raise them in a loving healthy enviorment... my point again is that in my view banning the game in question in the context of what is says about the values of Irish society is a good thing... Its always a very difficult call to make as to whether the state should in any interfere in the freedom of an adult to make their own choices and my own credo is that adults are entitled to do anything they want in private assuming it is on their own or a case may be with other consenting adults... however I also have no objection to adults been stopped from buying in Ireland a copy of the game in question... my view is that sometimes we have to accept that the common good is served by such actions, and yes I can understand that can annoy people and indded I would be quick to complin myself...eg remember been really annoyed when the Life of Brian movie was banned many years ago... so its all down to a judgement call that all I'm saying...there is no right or wrong answer to this.

There is an arguement ( not one id subcribe to )that exposing kids to such games will teach them that if you shoot or stab one one they will die .
How many stories have we seen about kids finding there parents gun and shooting there mate thinking that they will get back up like in the cartoons .

I've heard that arguement too and agree that I'm not convinced by it as I think many other factors also come into play.... however again I don't think it is a good thing for young kids to be involved in playing games that involve heaveyweight graphic images and/or that allow them to be involved in virtual killings.... and yes we did as kids paly cowboys and Indians difference was there was no gruseome imagery and you could count to ten and come alivve again


Kids are like women they want what they cant have as soon as they get it they will loose interest .

I could but I won't even comment on that...suffice to say that such a generalistaion is to my way of thinking somewaht spooky to say the least

[anto1208]

I understand where your coming from but banning this game sets a precedent as you say the banning of the life of brian was stupid ive heard people on Joe duffy calling for the Halifax Ad ( where the bankers have a big fight ) to be banned because its too violent .

I just find it amazing that you can buy a dvd showing real life executions but you cant buy a computer game that id imagine is no worse than Mortal combat a game purely based on one on one fighting in which after winning your fight the opponent is left dazed and you have to finish him off by ripping off his head or ripping out his heart or spine . That’s apparently ok to have in arcades full of kids all summer but its not ok for an adult to buy this game .

But what happens if some nutter takes over the censorship and we start getting whats happening in America where you cant say Ass on tv .

[Calcio Jack]

I understand where your coming from but banning this game sets a precedent as you say the banning of the life of brian was stupid ive heard people on Joe duffy calling for the Halifax Ad ( where the bankers have a big fight ) to be banned because its too violent .

I just find it amazing that you can buy a dvd showing real life executions but you cant buy a computer game that id imagine is no worse than Mortal combat a game purely based on one on one fighting in which after winning your fight the opponent is left dazed and you have to finish him off by ripping off his head or ripping out his heart or spine . That’s apparently ok to have in arcades full of kids all summer but its not ok for an adult to buy this game .

But what happens if some nutter takes over the censorship and we start getting whats happening in America where you cant say Ass on tv .

As I say it's all down to a judgement call... and there is no absloute black and white answer but differing shades of grey.... BTW two wrongs don't make a right