Sale of Tolka

[pineapple stu]

What club is bankrolled by a state funded college?

[Dodge]

How much are these people getting paid, by the way? Are they full time?

No, they're a board of directors. All bar Sadlier have very succesful careers elsewhere

Your comment that your backer has loads of money sounds an awful lot like Drogs fans' comments about their backers, who are now talking publicly about the wells drying up.

As acknowledged earlier

The league has been here before.

Not like this, not with these credentials, and not with the motives he has.

As I've said elsewhere its up to you whether you belive it or not

[pineapple stu]

No, they're a board of directors. All bar Sadlier have very succesful careers elsewhere

Are they getting paid anything?

As I've said elsewhere its up to you whether you belive it or not

This is true. Let's see how it pans out.

[Dodge]

Are they getting paid anything?

Dunno. They are all either paid, or kept on retainers by the boss man for other reasons

[John83]

In fairness Stu, it does seem to be slightly different to Drogheda, in that Drogheda have been building up debt to their directors, while Pats appear to be just badly placed if their money man suddenly pulls out. Let's wait and see a bit longer before we start crying wolf.

[Bald Student]

Let's wait and see a bit longer before we start crying wolf.

In that story the boy cried wolf a few times when there was no wolf and then the villagers didn't believe him the one time there was one.

So far, evert time Stu has cried wolf there has been one. This is the exact opposite of the story.

[Dodge]

So its when Stu says nothing I should be worried?

[Steve Bruce]

So its when Stu says nothing I should be worried?

Re-read what he said. He is saying, when he DOES cry wolf, there normally is one.

If he doesn't then you dont have to worry.

[Dodge]

Yeah it might take a while to get used to my humour Steve

And for the record in the other cases, far more people than stu have been crying wolf...

[John83]

In that story the boy cried wolf a few times when there was no wolf and then the villagers didn't believe him the one time there was one.

So far, evert time Stu has cried wolf there has been one. This is the exact opposite of the story.

Agreed, and I pay attention when he points out trouble on the horizon, but Pats seem better off than the teams he's comparing them to, and we don't have as much information either because of the change of ownership. All I'm saying is that it seems a little premature to get very worked up about Pats.

[Bald Student]

All I'm saying is that it seems a little premature to get very worked up about Pats.

I'll agree but I've heard before the story about the property developer buying into a club saying "I plan to make this club the biggest in ireland with european success etc etc but first I must secure full ownership of all the land that I don't plan to sell.".

It's possible that this fella is the real deal but I'm keeping my skeptical hat on for the moment.

[Dodge]

He's far too big to go to this much trouble to make money on Richmond Park. Why would he bother when he's messing about with €12 Billion with the Chicago Spire. A notoriously private man, he has too much prestige to lose by ****ing off a few thousand football fans

[bohs til i die]

I know very few people like shels on this forum, But i think it is a shame on how such a great side has been decimated. I know it is their own doing, but they truely where a great side if where on their day, no one on this island could have lived with them.

The only really they had a great side was down to the overspending, overspending which forced wage demands of players to go up and up across the entire league

[pineapple stu]

In fairness Stu, it does seem to be slightly different to Drogheda, in that Drogheda have been building up debt to their directors, while Pats appear to be just badly placed if their money man suddenly pulls out. Let's wait and see a bit longer before we start crying wolf.

Another issue to consider is what happens if he does pull out? They're totally dependent on him. Say he pulls out at the end of the season, and Pat's have players on two years contracts. They're screwed. They can't cancel those contracts, and wouuld run up a huge loss in the following season, which would mean they'd (a) have to cut back to a break even budget, a massive drop in itself and (b) have to cut back further to pay off the debts incurred in the first year when they couldn't cut back. It's still a problem.

[John83]

...It's still a problem.

We're agreed on this.

[kdjaC]

I'll agree but I've heard before the story about the property developer buying into a club saying "I plan to make this club the biggest in ireland with european success etc etc but first I must secure full ownership of all the land that I don't plan to sell.".

If you had a Kabillion euro and wanted to turn an irish team into a european success story, what would you do?

Get in an ex-international manager and most succesful underage manager to run the club from a footballing pov.

Buy land in catchment area for use as said academy.

Put together a partnership with international marketting company with an aim to create a brandname in a foreign country.

Put together a board with business and football people.

Improve stadium, and provide amenities for the local area.

If he wanted the land only he really didnt need to do any of the above. Honestly if he did sell the ground move us to tallaght he wouldnt be a very good business man having spent money on the above.


kdjac

[TonyD]

If he wanted the land only he really didnt need to do any of the above.
kdjac

Exactly. He could probably have chucked a couple of Mil at the previous Board to buy them out, made some vaugue promises about building the club, etc, etc,(while finding excuses why no actual work was being done)putting his dastardy plan in place behind the scenes, if that was his agenda. Everything he's actually done has indicated that he is serious. He didn't waste much time in getting the diggers in and starting work behind the goal,for example. The fact that Brian Kerr is on board is also something a lot of the sceptics aren't factoring in, which is another thing Kelleher didn't need to do. So what do you sceptics think Kerr is at ? There are 3 possibilities as I see it:

a) Kerr is in on a major scam being perpetrated on the Pats fans - anyone think this is likely ?
b) Kerr has been hoodwinked by Kelleher. Possible, I suppose, it would surprise me though.
c) Kelleher is the genuine article. Yet to be proven, I know. But it does look good from where I'm standing.

Frankly, I wish he hadn't said all the stufff about Europe. That is the kind of guff we've heard too often in the past. I'll be happy if he can make Pats the No 1 club in Ireland. Than let's take it from there.

[pineapple stu]

If he wanted the land only he really didnt need to do any of the above.

Yeah, to be honest, that's the only thing stopping me from changing my sig to include youz lot. It's the only bit that doesn't add up to him screwing the club at some stage, to be honest. The new stand is the main bit in that.

[kdjaC]

Yeah, to be honest, that's the only thing stopping me from changing my sig to include youz lot. It's the only bit that doesn't add up to him screwing the club at some stage, to be honest. The new stand is the main bit in that.

There is a lot more going on than most people realise as i posted on pats board, usually foot.ie is a haven for knowledge on everyone elses club (love that tbh) but noone here has realised what this lad is doing or has info on his land purchases or who his main associates are (Drury etc)in the pats thing.

If he does what he says he will do then we will leave Richmond, i have no doubts about that but not for a land deal.


kdjac

[pineapple stu]

What about Pat's for Richmond?