Celtic Cup?

[Steve Bruce]

It'll never take off. Maybe if the prize money was 250k-300k would it be beneficial for teams to compete in.

[dcfcsteve]

Actually now (as of last month) the assembly has law-making powers albeit we have to go to Westminster for the all-clear, so our laws will not automatcially be English law.

Also, as Soper said, we're in the FAW Premier Cup anyway until 2009 so I assume this is a move by the FAW to make it more attractive in the long term by adding Scottish/Irish teams.

English and Welsh law are currently the samem, bar very minor Welsh-only exceptions (e.g. the rather imperfect Language Act). Overtime, the Assembly will be able to tinker with more minor laws around the edges - but currently English law is your law, full stop. Whatever case law is decided in the English High Court becomes law in Wales.

This is not the case for NI or Scotland, which have their own legal systems and structures (particularly Scotland).

So much for being the original Celts....

[Cymro]

English and Welsh law are currently the samem, bar very minor Welsh-only exceptions (e.g. the rather imperfect Language Act). Overtime, the Assembly will be able to tinker with more minor laws around the edges - but currently English law is your law, full stop. Whatever case law is decided in the English High Court becomes law in Wales.

This is not the case for NI or Scotland, which have their own legal systems and structures (particularly Scotland).

So much for being the original Celts....

Only a matter of time before a full parliament is formed here Steve, don't worry about that.

With the lack of popularity of Labour I wouldn't be surprised if Plaid won the next assembly election, especially with Gordon Brown in charge at Westminster!

Scotland have their own parliament, NI should have one but can't stop bickering between each other so it's suspended most of the time.

We should have one soon, hopefully this will be sped up by the decline of Labour in Wales. However the fact that we share some aspects of English law doesn't make us part of England.

I could list loads of UN-recognised countries (eg US Virgin Islands) that rely on a bigger neighbour for their legislation. That argument doesn't hold much water to be honest.

And we are the original Celts-our ancestors migrated over to Britain (basically Wales until the Romans, Saxons etc. arrived) originally and later sailed over to Ireland later. The Scots are hardly Celtic at all-probably less so than the English. If you watched the documentary series called Face of Britain you'd know what I'm on about.

[SolitudeRed]

Well, two points there, firstly I'd say the quality in the Welsh Premier is probably close to on a par with the Irish League. The UEFA coefficients are roughly similar and whenever there have friendlies between sides from either league the Welsh Premier teams have always fared well enough.

All a bit of a moot point though, because secondly, there'd probably only be something like two representatives from the Welsh Premier.

It's likely the FAW would enter Cardiff, ourselves and Wrexham, and then maybe the top handful of Welsh Premier teams, depending on how the tournament was structured.

Say we had 4 reps from Scotland four from NI and 4 from Wales.

The first stage could be done in national groups to ease the travelling difficulties.

The group winners plus best runner-up could then progress to a knockout or something.

It's likely the total prize money would be more than doubled from the present £250k pot on the FAW Premier Cup, so that would more than pay the travelling costs.

I have to be honest and say I don't see this happening, but I wouldn't mind seeing it even if it were just a one off.

I agree with you there Cymro I know that the Irish League is a poor leaue! I'm not that deluded! according to the rankings the welsh and Irish Leagues have the same coefficient!

Heres the Rankings here... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_co...ue_coefficient

Thought the EL would be a bit higher than 40th!

[Dazzy]

35th this season i think.

[Shelsman]

Only a matter of time before a full parliament is formed here Steve, don't worry about that..

Yes, fair play.

And we are the original Celts-our ancestors migrated over to Britain (basically Wales until the Romans, Saxons etc. arrived) originally and later sailed over to Ireland later.

Where did ye sail from so? France? or maybe it was the Falklands?

TBH I've great time for the Welsh, Scots too. Fair play for keeping your own language alive.

[Cymro]

Yes, fair play.



Where did ye sail from so? France? or maybe it was the Falklands?

TBH I've great time for the Welsh, Scots too. Fair play for keeping your own language alive.

We originally came from northern Spain. Then about 15,000 years ago some bright spark suggested we move to that unchartered land to the north. It wasn't until about 3,000 years later that that man's great-great-great-great-great-great (well you get the picture) grandson thought he'd take a jolly over the Irish Sea.

[dcfcsteve]

We originally came from northern Spain. Then about 15,000 years ago some bright spark suggested we move to that unchartered land to the north. It wasn't until about 3,000 years later that that man's great-great-great-great-great-great (well you get the picture) grandson thought he'd take a jolly over the Irish Sea.

Cymro - I suggest you get yourself onto Amazon and invest in some Celtic history books, as yer talking out of your hoop here.

The fact that Irish Gaelic and Welsh Cymraeg are from 2 distinctly separate branches of the Celtic language family should be enough on it's own to tell you that the supposedly Celtic population of Ireland* did not just all pop over on the boat from the supposedly Celtic population of Wales. Pure nonesense here. (*I add the word supposedly, as there is a theory, that carries some currency, that the Celts may be a linguistic group rather than an actual single genetic or ancestral group of people).

And academics who consider the Celts to be an ethnic grouping trace their origins to south-eastern Europe/Western Asia (allegedly Thracia or the Caucauses). They only became identifiable as Celtic tribes with Celtic languages when they migrated into central Europe and beyond c. 500 BC. So the idea that the Welsh were the one true Celts and all came over from Spain (a laughable 15,000 years ago !) is complete twaddle.

The one indisputable thing the Welsh are is the one true remaining Britains. So come on dude - get yourself down the library and let's stop the cod-history lessons.....

[CollegeTillIDie]

This competition is interesting but ultimately won't work for several reasons.

1) Lesser mortals from Scotland have no appeal in Ireland( North or South).
Anyone outside Celtic, Rangers , Hearts and Hibs, won't put additional bums on seats.

2) League of Wales clubs would attract less crowds to games on this island than the Rugby teams do and their crowds( i.e. Magner's League) are not massive.

3) The security costs involved in playing the likes of Swansea City and Cardiff City( if those two became involved) would far outweigh the revenues gained playing teams under headings 1) and 2). The supporters of Swansea and Cardiff were involved in unsavoury incidents in Europe , the last few years they were permitted represent Wales by virtue of winning the Welsh Cup.
This stopped in the early nineties when the FAW formed the League of Wales and only teams based in that League were permitted to represent the principality.

4) Free Cornwall

[CollegeTillIDie]

We originally came from northern Spain. Then about 15,000 years ago some bright spark suggested we move to that unchartered land to the north. It wasn't until about 3,000 years later that that man's great-great-great-great-great-great (well you get the picture) grandson thought he'd take a jolly over the Irish Sea.

There are two distinct linguistic branches of Celtic languages in these islands

The P and (hard) C celts. Example Welsh pen = head Irish Ceann = head
(hard C)

There is evidence that the Welsh language is related to Cornish and Breton ;that means that it is possible that the Cornish and Breton Celts may have arrived in their current homelands at a similar timeframe to the Welsh arriving in Cymru.

The other branch includes Irish , Scots Gaelic and Manx languages . And there is also evidence that the original celtic speaking settlers in Ireland also came from Northern Spain. Other branches of the Celtic speaking people did settle in the Balkans and Central Europe. Traces of Celtic civilization being found in such countries as Serbia , Slovakia, Germany , Austria and the Czech Republic.

[Cymro]

4) Free Cornwall

Won't argue with that.